Just to make sure we're perfectly clear, you think he would've been able to kill 20+ women and children with a baseball bat?

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Ok. I'm just not even gonna go down this rabbit hole. Let's pretend i never said that.

hahahaha goddammit delete that post STAT

That's probably the single stupidest statement i've ever read on this site.

Please do not post conspiracy nonsense in this threads.

There was this attempted mass killing with an axe near to where I grew up in Ansbach, Germany, at a secondary school. No one died even tho he managed to crack someone's skull.

Columbine didn't happen because of gun laws (their guns were purchased illegally). It happened because of bullying. The shooters were victims of that whole jock-nerd hierachy in American high schools. They were on the low bottom. The shorter one was stuffed into lockers several times. Most bullied kids graduate and move on but a few snap and think they can't let "them" win. Matt Stone's interview in Bowling for Columbine sums it up pretty good (Michael Moore is full of **** though).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dYtOOtfQtM

Sandy Hook however happened because some mother was not capable of dealing with her wacko mentally disturbed son and left him to play with guns.

Seems like it is probably far more multifaceted and nuanced than this. Plus, video games.

Of course. And I think it'll take a multifaceted, nuanced approach to reduce the occurrence of these (already rare, in the grand scheme of things) attacks and minimize the potential lives taken when they do occur:

--Better understanding/diagnosis of mental disorders and more refined treatments (something better than "that drug didn't work, let's try this one today"). Less stigma attached to those seeking help--if it's widely understood that all mental illness at its root is just a physical disease of the brain, people shouldn't feel ashamed or weak if they need treatment.

--Continued cracking down on severe bullying in schools. Yes, some of the anti-bullying stuff they do now is uber touchy-feely and a bit over-the-top, and kids do need to learn how to deal with *******s in daily life, but we can eliminate the truly brutal treatment that gives some kids PTSD by the time they're done with middle school.

--Some kind of reform of gun laws so that when all else fails, the perpetrators of these shootings are more likely to be using ordinary handguns...if that's all Lanza had access to, there's no way he could have racked up the body count that he did. Any loss of life is tragic and needs to be avoided, but in the end, something like eight deaths is a lot better than 20+.

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Video games didn't help the cause. If you watch the local news here in CT they said:

He attempted/or wanted to join the Marines and either was not accepted, or his Mom told him they wouldn't take him. Heard 2 different stories.

Had posters of military weapons all over his bedroom.

Played military games for hours upon hours.

Mom took him to gun range.

Video games are fine for normal functioning people, but for people with a mental illness that fantasy stimulation might wear itself out. Hindsight 20/20 of course.

This is 100% incorrect, according to everything credible that I read (starting with Cullen's book, accompanied by other stuff like the FBI's analysis of the shooting). Evidence shows that, to the extent that bullying was a significant part of their high school experience, the psychopath of the two shooters bullied other people. The bullying story was part of the early reaction where the media was feeding explanatory pablum to people to oversimplify the situation.

I thought Columbine was Marilyn Manson's fault....

Yeah, you probably should pretend you never said it, because it's insane. You don't kill 26 people in three or four minutes with a bat or steak knife.

Blaming the mom is the sort of thing a real pile of crap might do.

The counter point to the mental illness argument is that it would seem he realized what he was doing which would be why he killed himself. If he seriously had a mental illness wouldn't he not recognize the situation, or not think through enough to kill himself. They interviewed a neighbor who probably put together the best motive I have heard this far.

Whatever you do, don't share it!

This isn't true whether you're talking about mental illness being something psychotic or something more along the autism spectrum. I think your post serves to further the argument that we need more education on mental illness in this country.

Mental Illness is sort of a catch all term. Its hard to argue that anyone that could possibly do this isn't mentally ill.

Mass murders usually always kill themselves or are killed by the police.

Well only because I saw it on an interview on local 12.

Son found out Mom was thinking of having him involuntarily committed. The mom was friends with the principal and school pyschologist, which would explain the connection to the school and apparently he believed they had something to do with her decision. Doesn't explain the kids, but that's all they have so far.

I don't know about "blaming" but apparently she had a bunch of firearms where this kid could get them. And she knew he was a really really ****ed up kid.

Gotta love American ignorance, and love even moreso the degree to which we're aggressively ignorant. Nothing will change as a result of this, and more mass murders will continue to occur on a weekly basis.

If you want to live in a country that uses logic or reason, the USA is not a good place for you.

I heard something about how the mother worked with those kids as kindergartners last year, and the son was jealous of it, so he would go after them. Which is why all the kids that were killed were now in the first grade.

The mother was in finance, and she never worked there, nor did he ever attend that school.

I read the school said she never worked there.

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