It makes you wonder about all the "freaks and very weird dudes" who post on OOT.

No it's not.

Even when the guys are "kind of weird" you still don't think they are going to kill 30 people. EVERYONE went to high school with some kids that were weird, or unpopular, or autistic, or had a learning disorder, or were going through a phase.

We can't suspect every single one of those people of being a future mass murderer, it would result in mass chaos.

Had nightmares about this last night. Jeez. I hope the bodies are out soon.

There is a guy I work with that EVERYONE thinks will shoot up the place some day. He's that weird, and he owns lots of guns. What can you do though?

jesus ****ing christ

10:15 rews update - not much new info. prob the biggest thing was

- good evidence from crime scene and secondary crime scene as to - the how and why

other points addressed:

- victims positively identified, names released shortly. medical examiner still working on it.
- complete area was searched immediately, no arrests associated. Or any other arrests relating to crime at this time.
- point of entry confirmed forced

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_...hool_shootings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rimary_schools
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ondary_schools
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ondary_schools

i had no idea there were so many mass stabbings in other countries.

will you shut the **** up,

30 people died and you are really going to nit it up over this

I'm making no judgements about the cause but the US has its own page and it seems about as long as the Canada, Europe, South America, Asia, and Australia lists combined.

I'm sure part of that is the standard wiki bias towards English speaking/Western countries (just meaning there's much more coverage), but I think its still a relevant thing to talk about at some point.

eh, not the best defense, given 90% of them are in america, and the majority of ones from other countries read like "boy shoots classmates with pellet gun, 6 injured" or my favorite "girl stabs 37 people with needle".

Someone just posted this on Facebook:

http://www.kieranhealy.org/blog/arch...united-states/

It's pretty clear there's an issue of some sort in the US. My guess is its not a simplistic "gun nuts", "godlessness", "racial diversity", "income disparity", "video games", etc. But it seems like something that needs to be looked at to have any hope of actually fixing the problems.

Does anyone have links to in depth studies on this?

saw this on reddit

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/com...ing_to_say_to/

the media only gives people what they want, so you cant really blame them. Blame everyone that watches it.

This. I'm sure the guy who wrote this stayed glued to his TV while watching panicked people run from Downtown Manhattan 11 years ago.

While I do think the media could be a lot more respectful, especially in a case like this with so many young children, I also think they're doing an important job.

While better treatment and less stigma for the mentally ill is always a good thing, the mentally ill are statistically LESS likely to commit violent crimes than the general population. They are MORE likely to be victims than perpetrators.

It's just that high profile cases like this make people associate mentally ill with violence. If the killer was legitimately mentally ill, he's an aberration within that population, not the prototype.

nvm

This statement could end up being totally wrong given the massive amount of changing information out there but people are acting like this kid was mentally ******ed or some other major debilitating disease.

He is being described as smart and normal by some of his classmates(quiet by some others). He was on the honor roll in high school. It's not like he was so mentally ill that he didn't know the difference between wrong and right. (obviously yesterday he was, just saying his life in general doesn't seem that way).

We can preach all we want about mental health issues but if a kid smart enough to be on the honor roll and go through high school in a reasonable way is someone we need to be "watching out for" then we should be watching out for who knows how many tens(hundreds?) of thousands of people.


*I'm not saying Autism isn't a major disease or problem, I'm just saying that this he seems to be very functional based on the information we have.

I taught one of he Columbine shooters a couple of years before the tragedy and was questioned by police, randoms and even my mother as to why I didn't notice that he had the potential to do what he did. I had to admit that not only did he not seem mentally ill, he wouldn't have even made my top one hundred on a list of potential killers.

He was probably one of those "theres a fine line between genius and insanity" types

CNN just reminded me that this is hard for them

Yea, it really is too early to draw any conclusions imo. Just try to gather fairly reliable disseminated information, than update as known. But highly functioning autism has been showing up.

It seems he had an altercation with 4 staff members a day or two before. Three of those people were killed yesterday and the other wasn't at the school yesterday.

Wow. Thanks for the link. I wonder why he even went to the elementary school to begin with when he first had the 'altercation'. A twenty year old with no kids or siblings in the school that doesn't work there doesn't really have a purpose to be there at all. I would guess it had something to do with his mother? It's good to hear that they did not buzz him in, even tho it obv didn't matter. Also, good to know that he was turned down for a gun, but again....

gracias