Holy ribcage batman

quit postin pics of oversized muscle bags they arent gonna beat the gorilla u need to contract the help of Paul Harris

Yeah, I was really confused about your point that not all animals are built the same. Unfortunately you forgot to apply this same reasoning to the fact that roided up powerlifters are not the same as average humans.

And I'd like to see the source that shows gorillas are different enough to escape the laws of physiology and they wouldn't get tried when fighting 12 300+ pound primates themselves.

Yes, but there are 12 of them. I don't understand the reasoning that having 11 other people (who are at least 5x stronger than average humans) beating on the gorilla while it ****s up one dude won't hurt the gorilla.

If it was ~3 vs. one gorilla you'd have a point.

Gorillas probably have bad endurance and stamina as they don't wander very far in their natural habitat. For this reason I am starting to lean towards the humans winning. I am starting to think the gorilla would just get tired and confused.

For people who believe the humans would win, do you think the gorilla has a better chance if he had the intelligence of a human and the fighting strategy knowledge of a MMA fighter?

I think this is a big part of why the gorilla probably loses. Even properly motivated, say the humans attack his mates and family and he is injected with adrenaline, he won't fight optimally. Optimally fighting 12 people at once requires intelligence and strategy.

What's with all the talk of punching the gorilla and breaking bones?

1. Punching the gorilla is maybe the worst strategy ever.
2. You don't need to actually snap the gorilla's bones to render him harmless.

As big and strong and beastly as the silverback is, it still has joints. You take 12 humans with elite strength and training and I think there's a good chance (depending on the specific qualities of the arena/battlefield) that they will be able to get ahold of an arm or leg and ruin it. Now it's not a lock that they win after disabling one limb, even a leg, but the odds go way up, particularly if like 10 of the 12 guys survive the initial scrum.

I do think this hurts the gorilla a lot, as he clearly isn't aware of his (endurance) limitations or using his strength optimally.

And as for the bone strength paper you posted, it looks it is saying gorillas have ~4x the bone strength humans do in their vertabrae even after accounting for bone volume. So it's probably similar elsewhere.

But, as the post following yours mentions, the gorilla still has joints and soft tissue. You don't need to snap a femur in half to incapacitate the gorilla. I also don't think people understand the difference b/w 12 roided up professional powerlifters trying to do damage to something vs. a couple average humans. Despite the increased bone density I would be shocked if pro powerlifters would be incapable of breaking a jawbone. Have you seen some of the **** those strongmen are capable of?

Gorilla would crush ainec. The only thing that the gorilla has in it's favour is it knows it's a fight to the death. 12 people>>>>>normal everyday gorilla. Tire it out wait till it's asleep, bang fingers in the eye. Terrified blind gorilla has 0 chance. Obv the humans would have time to plan the attack as well before they got in the cage. Bone density means nothing when you go for the back of the neck with a stamp.

In looking at that skull, is there only cartilage protecting the brain on the top of the head?

I was just responding to another post about bone density and thickness of the skull etc. I agree its a horrible strategy. I was supporting the assertion made earlier that no strike could hurt the gorilla but a strike from the gorilla is going to hurt a lot if it knows how to land hits and break limbs.

But the gorilla probably isn't going to be tearing people's tracheas out and biting their faces off like people are saying even if it is physically capable of doing that. It's probably just going to shove them away and make a scary roar.

@ ash: Read thru the study and it would seem that gorilla thoracic vetebral bone densities are greater, on average, than humans. I also noticed that vertebral bone densities were directly related to body mass and THAT did not vary between the species.

Also not specifically addressed (altho hinted at), was the effect of humans being strictly bipedal and how that affects bone strength over time. Presumably, the ape's bones would stay stronger longer since they're not subjected to the continued force that our bipedal nature imposes upon us. (I also suspect that gorillas are less susceptible to osteoporosis since dental decay- and the resulting inability to masticate food- is gonna take a greater toll on King Kong than it will on Joe Powerlifter.)

In the OP's scenario, we presumably have a random SB v. 12 premium humans, at least in terms of strength. I dunno if that's enuf to give those guys a win, but the notion that a 400 lb beast cannot be hurt by a concerted attack by 12, 250 plus pound guys in top shape seems a bit of a stretch.

I vote for a frontal assualt in a 5-4-3 formation. Back row goes for the bastard's neck.

Arnie knocked out a camel in Conan The Barbarian. The skull of a camel is similar in density to SBG. Therefore it is possible to knock out Mr Primate here

I agree with the joint approach being very good though. Surely a half dozen of them could dive for an ankle just to twist it to hell.

In reality striking is going to have no effect on the outcome of this fight, on both sides. The gorilla is going to rip,tear and bite off fingers, hands, and faces as soon as a few guys grab hold of him. The gorillas strength comes in to play when they men have no chance of holding him down.

Call me a skeptic, but I'm not convinced that giving a gorilla an ankle, wrist or knee sprain is gonna have the daunting effect that you presuppose. After all, the tensile strength of those muscles connected to those joints is reportedly pretty formidable.

Your wife's colleague sounds like a moron. He/she realizes this isnt LITERALLY King Kong right? I'm like 100x the size of a #2 pencil, the gorilla is about 1.2x the size of the biggest bodybuilder, thats a really stupid comparison.

you could have the 12 body builders surround the gorilla with about a 20 ft radius. And have waves of 3 dudes bum rushing the beast.
On sports science they calculated the force of a Ray Lewis hit and it was similar to a swat teams (15 lb) battering ram that is used to knock down doors. The body builders wont generate quite that much force but they might inflict about 600 lbs of force. So imagine the gorilla being hit with 1800 lbs, then turning around to see the second wave of bull rushers. After 4 waves the gorilla should have some broken joints, should be confused and even if it manages to severly maime a couple guys there is enough to finish him off.

Sports science also said Jon Jones spinning back elbow is faster the a helicopter blade and Fedor chokes harder then a python.

I think you're missing the point she was making

The chart and skeletons were whatever sampled gorillas vs. humans, not gorillas vs. power lifters. These are not average guys. Forget about the body builders who aren't necessarily strong. This has to be the power lifters - or some other athletes.

Also, pls, no more body builder pics.

OP says no weapons, fight to the death and gorilla knows it. But gorilla can't know because he's not that smart, but the humans can.

If gorilla understands he's about to be attacked, all 12 humans die.

cant envision any scenario without weapons where the men survive.

best strategy is to put 3 men on each limb straight away. that leaves nobody to attack vulnerabilities. i also dont see 3 men being able to control any one limb for very long, especially simutaneously. reserves would be necessary.

gorilla gets kill shots in pretty frequently. has 3 inches of flesh for protection. has pretty large fangs that it will use. has incredible brute strength that bodybuilders could never dream of. is more agile than any of them. and is also a wild animal with wild instincts.

the bodybuilders have big brains, the ability to strategize and numbers in their favor, but no significant offensive weapons.

their only hope is to focus on one limb and hope to take out a knee or elbow and work from there.

just dont see it happening. one vote for 12 dead and bloody bodybuilders.

sure doesnt sound like the best strategy then

cant envision any scenario without weapons where the men survive.

best strategy is to put 3 men on each limb straight away. that leaves nobody to attack vulnerabilities. i also dont see 3 men being able to control any one limb for very long, especially simutaneously. reserves would be necessary.

gorilla gets kill shots in pretty frequently. has 3 inches of flesh for protection. has pretty large fangs that it will use. has incredible brute strength that bodybuilders could never dream of. is more agile than any of them. and is also a wild animal with wild instincts.

the bodybuilders have big brains, the ability to strategize and numbers in their favor, but no significant offensive weapons.

their only hope is to focus on one limb and hope to take out a knee or elbow and work from there.

just dont see it happening. one vote for 12 dead and bloody bodybuilders.

oops...sry for the double post. if anybody has +EV strategy id like to hear it but i think people are failing to understand that the silverback is not only much stronger but also much more agile and has far better coordination. you also cant discount the killer instinct of the gorilla. it also has greater endurance.

the gorilla is gonna incapacitate like 3 men within 60 seconds every time, no matter how many times you run it. every blow the gorilla lands is pretty much a death blow. it also has enough fang to tear out some throats and shoulders.

the bodybuilders just ran into a set of aces with 55 and need running 5's on the turn and river for quads.

silverback ships it nearly every time.

If the bodybuilders have recently been utilizing SS + GOMAD, then maybe they have a chance