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11-04-2014 , 01:59 PM

#901

spaceman Bryce

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Exactly granddam that my point, people should be allowed to wear what they want.

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11-04-2014 , 02:06 PM

#902

microbet

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granddam,

I don't think you read the link. gregorio's point was that the word 'feminist' started being used as early as 1872.

I think what you obviously meant though is that you might be somewhere around Gloria Steinem's age.

(I looked up how old she is and found that Christian Bale is her step-son)

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11-04-2014 , 02:09 PM

#903

spaceman Bryce

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I will admit to being bad at articulating arguments though. its one of the reasons I work at a grocery store. but I was trying to be helpful.

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11-04-2014 , 02:12 PM

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Mr. Variance

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Originally Posted by microbet

maybe she's from ancient greece, who knows.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protofeminism

what's important is that she's sticking to the point of this already fruitless discussion.

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11-04-2014 , 02:16 PM

#905

granddam

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Originally Posted by microbet

Stop being a know-it-all, sonny. Lol. Seriously though, I've been reading this thread since the beginning, and there's something bothering me in the corner of my mind that I can't quite put my finger on. Why did she go to the effort of commenting on how she dressed?

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11-04-2014 , 02:27 PM

#906

capone0

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I think the biggest issue is many men are pretty stupid or just don't care and don't understand context/situation.

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11-04-2014 , 02:37 PM

#907

granddam

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I think the biggest issue is many men are pretty stupid or just don't care and don't understand context/situation.

No. Most men fall somewhere on the bell curve of what is acceptable or unacceptable. Most here admit some of this was creepy and crossed a line. Some admit it's obviously annoying but also know that, except for trying to raise the level of awareness, not much will help. After all, some people still litter and refuse to wear a seatbelt. Very few men would admit to doing this. And there are some women who would be flattered by this attention. But fewer still who would admit to that.

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11-04-2014 , 02:47 PM

#908

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Jesus, people. Some of you could lighten up a little. I'm a woman, a feminist, and I was one before there even was a term for it.

But, when I spend $50 for a bra at Victoria's Secret, somebody damn well better notice. I said notice. Just don't slobber on my shoes.

Cool story bro

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11-04-2014 , 02:47 PM

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capone0

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Yeah, well the people at the bottom of the bell curve in certain aspects are the ones "cat-calling--I would call those people either stupid, people who don't care, or don't understand context/situation. The extremist in any situation are the ones that are going to do stuff against the grain.

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11-04-2014 , 02:56 PM

#910

Yakmelk

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You tell'em granddam. I totally agree.

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11-04-2014 , 03:06 PM

#911

granddam

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THAT'S what's bothering me! Do they need more money so they can make a second video where she gets dressed to kill, walks around a crowded club, hears these comments to show how annoying this is, how prevalent? Why is she just showing people on the street?
After all, men in clubs are random strangers too. Is or isn't it a problem then? Or, are men supposed to know when each and every woman on the planet is or isn't approachable.

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11-04-2014 , 03:11 PM

#912

capone0

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(this is joking so don't roast me)--why not a red/green thing going on like a Brazilian steak restaurant (men treat women like pieces of meat anyways--again joking)--so we can't get confused or maybe the color blind people would still be confused :P. gotta make it simple for men.

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11-04-2014 , 03:14 PM

#913

57 On Red

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Originally Posted by Yakmelk

Its some chick who wasn't even able to crack 1m in winnings as a tourney player. Now that is something she probably had coming for dressing provocatively.

She's long broken the million mark and you, obviously, aren't going to do that.

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11-04-2014 , 03:15 PM

#914

dkgojackets

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make life one big stoplight party, now thats a good idea

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11-04-2014 , 03:16 PM

#915

granddam

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I AM curious about one thing though: If you never want this kind of attention, if you dress for other women and not other men, and your clothes are not meant to be sexy, how do you ever manage to have these one-night stands I keep hearing about. I'm confused, and I'm a woman. I can just imagine how some men must feel.

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11-04-2014 , 03:20 PM

#916

57 On Red

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Shoes do cost more. So there's that.

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11-04-2014 , 03:29 PM

#917

Yakmelk

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She's long broken the million mark and you, obviously, aren't going to do that.

Good for her that she is so lucky and great for you that you're so lucky to somehow indirectly be in touch with this woman. I'm really confused as to where we're going from here, how about you tell us another one of your riveting tales.

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11-04-2014 , 03:31 PM

#918

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granddam, I don't think a lot of people here are having one-night stands with men who are catcalling them. Though I may be wrong:

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11-04-2014 , 03:33 PM

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Yak, she's a pretty decent poker player and the only person to have won two EPT main event titles. She's even more successful outside of poker. It's almost like you don't get how that is relevant to this thread.

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11-04-2014 , 03:37 PM

#920

SiMor29

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Was the in the supermarket today and saw a woman who had a load of shopping cradled in her arms, god knows why she didn't get a basket, anyways she dropped a tin on the floor and was kind of struggling bending down trying to pick it up. I approached her, said let me get that, picked it up and put it back in her wee arm cradle, the tin even touched breast area as I was doing so(she was wearing a coat). Creepy invasion of personal space, or just being nice?

I only ask as i'm not even sure where the line is anymore... thinking back to the dude putting the woman's coat on in the lift when she was struggling.

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11-04-2014 , 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by granddam

But there has to be a middle ground somewhere. Most women still like feeling like sexual beings. Dressing to be attractive, sexy. Maybe some don't, but Victoria's Secret is successful for a reason. We all just seem to be trying to decide where to draw the line.

Would you say that line should come before or after "Hey baby", "What's up, sweetheart", or staring at someone's ass and saying, "Damn!"

It's not like anyone is arguing women don't like to look good. That doesn't mean they want to be treated as objects by any random creepo on the street.

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11-04-2014 , 04:29 PM

#922

granddam

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That's my point. There are way too many points on the bell curve to ever legislate this. Harassment is generally defined as repetitive or sexual. My line? Each of those instances were annoying, except for the 2 where she was followed. I would have found both slightly intimidating. I would have stopped dead in my tracks and stood there. If it continued, I would have taken my phone and called 911 and called for help. I would not have engaged either of them. My expectation is that if I stopped, they would just move on.

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11-04-2014 , 05:02 PM

#923

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See? All it takes is one little old lady to shut down an entire thread.

You're welcome. Back to Bingo.

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11-04-2014 , 05:07 PM

#924

Naked_Rectitude

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So was there a consensus reached as to if it's okay to speak to women on the street or not?

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11-04-2014 , 05:08 PM

#925

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Originally Posted by SiMor29

As a woman, my 2 cents is that something like that is totally acceptable, and a nice gesture. She was in obvious need of assistance and you helped out.

I might be wrong here, but I ahave a hunch that most people who stopped to help a woman in this spot would also stop to pick up the tin if a guy dropped it, so it doesn't seemed like a gendered i nterraction in the same way that the coat in the elevator scenario did.

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