On the waiting list...

Can we get an update on the ETA and cost?

Still September for $29.95?

the word "crushing" is an interesting choice. i think readers are going to be disappointed when they realize that if they work hard on their game and play well they're still looking at like 1-2 BB/100 in today's online midstakes games, as the 2010 PTR data demonstrates for players with significant samples. my guess is that winrate is not what they have in mind when they think of the word "crushing."

can we get a screen name yet?

+1

Contents look solid. I'm looking forward to release.

What about an ebook version Mason? Will this option be available too?

Yes, but maybe not at first.

Too bad... you might miss some customers. I mean...there is nothing wrong with a book and if I wanna read a novel I prefer a book but I wanna study poker books and therefore I want single pages where I can write on them, mark some spots and most importantly print it out the way I want it (size).

Why the reluctance to provide a screen name? The author needs to show proven results over a significant sample in today's games and these results are a necessary (but not sufficient) condition for putting out a good poker book.

im curious what sort of results would be acceptable for the author of this sort of book? What do people think?

I dont think the screenname is really necessary. A graph should be enough IMO. With the reputation of 2+2 and whats on the line for them I cant see them risking anything by providing a false/inaccurate graph.

+2.5ptBB/100 for NL400

+2ptBB/100 for NL600

Maybe, but that's essentially what crushing is for those games nowadays, what with so many rb pros and all that.

Nice

If the author wants to provide a graph that's up to him, and we certainly don't make it a requirement for publication. But this book is mainly theory, and the theory is based on the underlying mathematics of the game. Therefore, it's either right or it's not regardless of what the author's graph might be.

Furthermore, both David Sklansky and myself are legitimate mathematicians, and I also spent 11 years working as a statistician. So the risk of this book is not the author's graph, but whether the reputation of Two Plus Two getting this type of stuff mathematically correct in the books we publish, and you won't know that for sure until the book appears.

Mason

If the title was "Analytical No-Limit Hold'em; A Theory Based Approach to Midstakes Short-Handed Games" then I don't think there would be a problem. The word "Crushing" implies a high winrate and some will want to see evidence.

Mason you are correct that the book's analysis will either be right or wrong. The way you EVALUATE whether or not this advice is right or wrong is by the author's winrate.

If the author is winning a lot of money his advice is probably good, if the author is a losing or breakeven player, then his advice is probably bad. Poker is filled with people who wrong long books and came up with sophisicated deep strategies that turn out to be a bunch of nonsense. But they seem real convincing if you read them and dont know any better.

Its not like people and editors can just read the book and determine the quality of the advice. If they knew how to do that, theyd all be nosebleed players from being so knowledgable about poker, and might as well write the book themselves.

For those that have not been following the Cake Poker encription issue, Thomas is part of the team hired to review hand histories for cheating.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...-issue-856099/

From the small section I was given (something needed while working on the cover), the concept given was presented extremely well. It will be impressive if they can deliver, as ambitious as it seems to be.

Hi Everyone:

Along these lines, we hope to have an excerpt of Analytical No-Limit Hold 'em in next month's Two Plus Two Online Poker Strategy Magazine.

Best wishes,
Mason

Moved derailing posts to new thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/33...r-book-875092/

Still no release date?

I only know that the artwork isn't done, and Mason mentioned they were ironing some routine things out when I asked a week ago. Check the publisher's note in the 2p2 magazine Oct 1, if it's close enough to complete Mason might have a release date for you.

It seems like a very broad brush is painted with this one. At one hand, we are talking about crushing, 3-betting, and playing in raised pots; on the other hand, we are talking about variance, wr, and table selection.

Who is this geared towards? Obviously the new player will get closer to 100% of use out of this, but what about someone playing 1/2NL?