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Old 11-04-2008, 11:07 AM   #1
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Review: 'How to Beat No-Limit Hold 'Em 6-max Cash Games' by Bill Vosti

Review: 'How to Beat No-Limit Hold 'Em 6-max Cash Games' by Bill Vosti

This book is very good to great.
What is exceptional with this book is that it approachs everything you have to know about 6max cash (floats, squeeze, barrels, cbets, bluff raise, stats...). When you read it, it seems that every sentence is important, and that's the case. Every sentence is something like a concentrate of very important principle of poker.
I have never seen a book so complete in this sense.

During all the book (and especially in the part which speaks about lag, tag, nit, fish, maniac), the author will speak about opponent's stats and that's by far the best thing I have see about stats, simple but clear and useful.
Something that was also great was his approach with the moves a TAG makes to be unreadable and hyper hard to play, you will learn how to mix your game with strong move like shoving draws, bluff-raising to defend your blind on the flop, or the preflop Button float against a TAG weak CO stealer...

A great chart of starting hand is present with the book in a separate file.

The authors write in an easy style, agreeable to read. This book is not a beginner's book and the overall content reach some advanced concepts. I think every player can learn from this book even some advanced one.

This book is very good to reorganize your mind and will put every concept in a clear order in your head, that's great. Often during my read I said something like: "Yeha, that's so true!" with the satisfaction to see that in print.

Furthermore, 3 videos are avaible with the book where the author plays on three different limits, micro NL25, small/medium NL200 and medium NL600. I don't have see it but there is good review about those vids. Vids are 40 minutes each for a total of 2 hours. You can also downlaod for free 2 other vids on his site (but it takes a long time to have an answere to your e-mail to have the link to watch those free vids).

Now, the cons.
When you finish the book or during the read, you have the sensation that subjects are a little bit looked over quickly. That's true in a sense, because some subjects are treated in few lines. The author don't go very deeply in concepts he accosts. Nevertheless, like I have said, his material is so concentrated that every sentence is a poker-key and it compensate in part the lack of depth.

When he had wrote his book, the 3-bet stat wasn't avaible in trackers. Thus the 3bet don't have "numerical value" in this book but the subject is treated very well with other ways. Furthermore, the author is making a new book or update (I don't know) which will speak precisely about this stat!

Finally, this book is a must read, even if sometimes a deeper approach would be appreciated, a more mathematical one.
Generally, when you buy a book, a lot of concept are not approached, but in this book almost all you need is present. This is great to shorten your learn process. You will learn more by reading this book only than 20 other ones.
To go more deeply in some concepts, you have to find other ways like forums, articles or other books. But the essential is said with this book, and the material is so dense that you will have a lot to work to internalize everything.

Al1

p.s.: 50$ well spend!
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Old 11-04-2008, 06:09 PM   #2
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Re: Review: 'How to Beat No-Limit Hold 'Em 6-max Cash Games' by Bill Vosti

That's a great review thanks for posting it. I'm currently reading BVG and it's great so far. It's much longer than RFG(Ryan Fee's Guide) and more detailed, although RFG is free. Anyways, are you going to get Secrets of short-handed no limit hold'em? Thanks, Yojimgari
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Old 11-04-2008, 08:09 PM   #3
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Re: Review: 'How to Beat No-Limit Hold 'Em 6-max Cash Games' by Bill Vosti

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That's a great review thanks for posting it. I'm currently reading BVG and it's great so far. It's much longer than RFG(Ryan Fee's Guide) and more detailed, although RFG is free. Anyways, are you going to get Secrets of short-handed no limit hold'em? Thanks, Yojimgari
You ask me if there is secrets in Bill Vosti's book?
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Old 11-04-2008, 09:51 PM   #4
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Re: Review: 'How to Beat No-Limit Hold 'Em 6-max Cash Games' by Bill Vosti

Danny Ashman is releasing a book later this year called Secrets of short-handed no limit hold'em. It's on NL TH 6M/HU CG, and it's going to sell well I think. It's a direct competitor to BVG and RFG. Also, Harrington/Robertie are coming out with a similar book next year and PNL2 is coming out also. Good luck, Yojimgari
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Old 12-03-2008, 03:58 AM   #5
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Re: Review: 'How to Beat No-Limit Hold 'Em 6-max Cash Games' by Bill Vosti

i have only read like 1/3 of the book yet, but so far i saw 2 kind of things in it:

- things that are 100 % obvious
- a little bit weak tightys things that I don't agree with at all

Anyway, to be fair and honest I have to say that I don't have such a winrate as the author has, and I wouldn't mind to play in this nitty manner if someone would promise that I will have the same BB/100...
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Old 12-03-2008, 09:36 AM   #6
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Re: Review: 'How to Beat No-Limit Hold 'Em 6-max Cash Games' by Bill Vosti

Good well argued review. how does it compaire to standard like harrisons etc??
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Old 12-04-2008, 12:27 AM   #7
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Re: Review: 'How to Beat No-Limit Hold 'Em 6-max Cash Games' by Bill Vosti

What is that standard harrisons?
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Old 12-04-2008, 02:44 AM   #8
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Re: Review: 'How to Beat No-Limit Hold 'Em 6-max Cash Games' by Bill Vosti

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Good well argued review. how does it compaire to standard like harrisons etc??
Do you mean Harrington?

Harrington is writing a book on 6 max cash games, but I don't believe that it's due for a bit. No guarantee that it's going to be the "standard" text on 6 max, although Dan hasn't let down yet.
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Old 12-16-2008, 06:23 PM   #9
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Re: Review: 'How to Beat No-Limit Hold 'Em 6-max Cash Games' by Bill Vosti

Can someone post a link where I can buy this book?
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Old 12-16-2008, 08:16 PM   #10
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Can someone post a link where I can buy this book?
http://www.skilledonlinepoker.com/nolimit.aspx
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Old 12-17-2008, 02:59 PM   #11
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Re: Review: 'How to Beat No-Limit Hold 'Em 6-max Cash Games' by Bill Vosti

is this book worth paying for if you have read Ryan Fee's free 6max ebook?
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Old 12-17-2008, 03:31 PM   #12
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is this book worth paying for if you have read Ryan Fee's free 6max ebook?
I'm also wondering that. $50 is a bit much considering what you pay for a physical paper book from 2plus2, also Ryan Fee's book is very good and free. I would have no problem paying if it is good value relative to what else you can pick up for $50 (for eg HOC1+2 cost roughly the same or maybe less).
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Old 12-18-2008, 02:31 AM   #13
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Re: Review: 'How to Beat No-Limit Hold 'Em 6-max Cash Games' by Bill Vosti

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is this book worth paying for if you have read Ryan Fee's free 6max ebook?
I'm wondering as well whether it's worth to invest the 50 bucks for an experienced NL200 SH player which tries to fix some leaks in his plays.
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Old 12-28-2008, 08:41 PM   #14
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Re: Review: 'How to Beat No-Limit Hold 'Em 6-max Cash Games' by Bill Vosti

Apparently Bill Vosti hasn't found a lot of customers for his book yet... ?
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Old 12-28-2008, 10:29 PM   #15
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Re: Review: 'How to Beat No-Limit Hold 'Em 6-max Cash Games' by Bill Vosti

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Apparently Bill Vosti hasn't found a lot of customers for his book yet... ?
I own the book, it's very good. At $50, it's very affordable and has solid content. The fact that there isn't more posts from those of us who own it is more likely because they simply don't scan this forum.
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Old 12-29-2008, 12:33 AM   #16
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Re: Review: 'How to Beat No-Limit Hold 'Em 6-max Cash Games' by Bill Vosti

I bought the book and thought it was an excellent refresher, will def go back over it
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Old 12-31-2008, 09:42 PM   #17
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Re: Review: 'How to Beat No-Limit Hold 'Em 6-max Cash Games' by Bill Vosti

I like the book. Having read several poker books, it is clear that he is a better writer than some other authors. He also offers information that is quite helpful to anyone new to the game. Some of it may also benefit more experienced players, I don't know.
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Old 01-01-2009, 09:53 AM   #18
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Re: Review: 'How to Beat No-Limit Hold 'Em 6-max Cash Games' by Bill Vosti

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is this book worth paying for if you have read Ryan Fee's free 6max ebook?
Where can one access Fee's ebook?
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Old 01-01-2009, 10:08 AM   #19
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http://s3.amazonaws.com/ryanfee/fees6max.pdf
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Old 01-01-2009, 10:22 AM   #20
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Old 01-01-2009, 11:10 PM   #21
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I'm also wondering that. $50 is a bit much considering what you pay for a physical paper book from 2plus2, also Ryan Fee's book is very good and free. I would have no problem paying if it is good value relative to what else you can pick up for $50 (for eg HOC1+2 cost roughly the same or maybe less).
I read the free excerps out of the book and I'd love to have it. Unfortunately, I need to hang on to the 50 even more.
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Old 01-02-2009, 12:31 PM   #22
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Re: Review: 'How to Beat No-Limit Hold 'Em 6-max Cash Games' by Bill Vosti

What style is Bill's book tailored towards i.e. TAG, LAG etc?
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Old 01-02-2009, 02:45 PM   #23
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What style is Bill's book tailored towards i.e. TAG, LAG etc?
TAG. Hand charts by position are included with the ebook.
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Old 01-02-2009, 06:09 PM   #24
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Re: Review: 'How to Beat No-Limit Hold 'Em 6-max Cash Games' by Bill Vosti

Snook:
It's definitely TAG in terms of overall numbers. Depending on how you wish to adapt, the book puts you at between 18/15 and perhaps 20/17 or so.
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Old 01-02-2009, 09:32 PM   #25
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Re: Review: 'How to Beat No-Limit Hold 'Em 6-max Cash Games' by Bill Vosti

I don't understand how he considers a TAG's 3bet calling range is any pair. I can't remember where in the book you'll find this, but somewhere where the author tries to explain equity.

Obvously playing 100bb stacks you don't get implied odds to setmine with a small pair, when you raise PF and get 3bet.
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