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01-25-2008 , 07:54 AM
As i am fairly new to poker, my girlfriend got me a book called internet holdem by Avery Cardoza. Like i said i am new to the game but i am not a dumy. I could have wrote the most of the book. Not only that but it is a blatent advertisement for his own poker site, infact it is virtually a text book for using it. This is also true for Doyals Online poker which i flicked through a waterstones

For me the book to get was getting started in holdem by ed miller which i heard about through searching these forums.
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01-25-2008 , 09:51 AM
Ed's pretty good reading...

Most of your reading should be tailored to what you want to play...

As is Limit, Tourney, or cash NL as their are great writers for each...

For instance Doyle would prolly get wiped out in Limit...

But it might take a century or two with his BK...
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01-25-2008 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by rsar51
For instance Doyle would prolly get wiped out in Limit...
Quoted for humor.

Doyle regularly plays in the Big Game at Bellagio, which includes $2000/$4000 limit holdem.
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01-25-2008 , 12:19 PM
Is this thread the lingering effects of the past full moon??

Weered.
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01-25-2008 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JackCase
Quoted for humor.

Doyle regularly plays in the Big Game at Bellagio, which includes $2000/$4000 limit holdem.
JackCase that still doesn't tell us anything as he made his $$$ in NL...

Generally NL players aren't too good in limit and vice-versa...

Not to mention that age plays with math in limit...
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01-25-2008 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeyMash
As i am fairly new to poker, my girlfriend got me a book called internet holdem by Avery Cardoza. Like i said i am new to the game but i am not a dumy. I could have wrote the most of the book.
Yes, your grammar is excellent and your prose compelling.
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01-25-2008 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffnc
Yes, your grammar is excellent and your prose compelling.
I laughed at this...
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01-25-2008 , 03:34 PM
Uh. Doyle suck at limit? Nice to know that.
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01-25-2008 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by daveT
Uh. Doyle suck at limit? Nice to know that.
Only his hairdresser, I mean accountant knows for sure...

Still I think the torch has been passed and the kid is bringing home the bucks now...

Doyle's just in it for the smiles, yahoos, and adulation that he gets for showing up for an event now and then...

I mean it's like Frank Sinatra trying to sing when he was 80 years old...

Please!....

Last edited by rsar51; 01-25-2008 at 04:00 PM. Reason: add more...
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01-25-2008 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by daveT
Uh. Doyle suck at limit? Nice to know that.
Great inside info.

I wonder if he would be interested in some limit for bankrolls?
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01-25-2008 , 05:26 PM
Who are you, rsar, that you know this. This is the third post I have seen where you call out Doyle.

Please realize that even three years ago, NL was spread as an after thought in most casinos. Most of the TV pros you see made their living playing Limit way before NL, and that includes Doyle, who had to play Limit, because there was NO NL games 10 years ago, outside tourneys. In fact, many TV Pros are not good at NL. Why? because they have to real experience at it. But that is fine, they sit at their comfortable limit game and wait for all the people to play with the big stars.

It wasn't until capped NL was created that NL was spread as a cash game. Capped NL is, ironically, very close to Limit, so if you are no good at Limit, you will do poorly at capped NL (the big game at the Bellagio is capped at 100k per pot), and vice versa. Anyway, I think with the lack of NL games in the 80s, no NL games in the 90s, Doyle must have played way more Limit than he ever did NL.
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01-25-2008 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffnc
Yes, your grammar is excellent and your prose compelling.
LoL!
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01-25-2008 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeyMash
For me the book to get was getting started in holdem by ed miller which i heard about through searching these forums.
Thats a good book. He also has a website full of excellent articles.
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01-25-2008 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by daveT
Capped NL is, ironically, very close to Limit, so if you are no good at Limit, you will do poorly at capped NL (the big game at the Bellagio is capped at 100k per pot), and vice versa.
I wouldn't say that. But I'd say that "No Limit" certainly isn't true either. I guess it should be called "Stack Limit".
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01-25-2008 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffnc
I wouldn't say that. But I'd say that "No Limit" certainly isn't true either. I guess it should be called "Stack Limit".
Quite correct Jeff
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01-25-2008 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Originally Posted by rsar51

For instance Doyle would prolly get wiped out in Limit...JackCase;2398484
Quoted for humor.

Doyle regularly plays in the Big Game at Bellagio, which includes $2000/$4000 limit holdem.
Funny post The best part of this is the big game is limit lol. I be willing to bet Doyle made alot of his money playing limit poker . Nl was only played in some Texas Road gamblers games and at the WSOP until not very long ago. I bet with all the NL being played today he may have made as much as anyone else playing limit poker in his long and successful career.

I enjoyed this thread.
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01-25-2008 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by daveT
Who are you, rsar, that you know this. This is the third post I have seen where you call out Doyle.

Please realize that even three years ago, NL was spread as an after thought in most casinos. Most of the TV pros you see made their living playing Limit way before NL, and that includes Doyle, who had to play Limit, because there was NO NL games 10 years ago, outside tourneys. In fact, many TV Pros are not good at NL. Why? because they have to real experience at it. But that is fine, they sit at their comfortable limit game and wait for all the people to play with the big stars.

It wasn't until capped NL was created that NL was spread as a cash game. Capped NL is, ironically, very close to Limit, so if you are no good at Limit, you will do poorly at capped NL (the big game at the Bellagio is capped at 100k per pot), and vice versa. Anyway, I think with the lack of NL games in the 80s, no NL games in the 90s, Doyle must have played way more Limit than he ever did NL.
Oh please how many of Doyals bracelets came from playing limit?...

That's where the cash came from, plus endorsements, and his site, books, vids, etc. etc.

Hey I'm not saying that he wasn't great as Ungar sucked out on him...

It's just that every man got his limits and age is one of them...

And lastly it's my right to criticize so long as I don't use vulgarity or stalk people around here...

Doyals not God and uses the same toilet paper as you and I do...

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01-25-2008 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JackCase
Great inside info.

I wonder if he would be interested in some limit for bankrolls?
Well definitely not my BK as if I were at the Bellagio I'd be out in two orbits if I didn't win...
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01-25-2008 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by rsar51
Oh please how many of Doyals bracelets came from playing limit?...

That's where the cash came from, plus endorsements, and his site, books, vids, etc. etc.
Instead of writing about this topic, you should write about stuff you know about.
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01-25-2008 , 11:05 PM
RSAR, you are one of the most ill-informed posters I have ever seen on this BB.
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01-26-2008 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by rsar51
Doyals not God and uses the same toilet paper as you and I do...
Doyle uses $100 bills
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01-26-2008 , 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by rsar51
Only his hairdresser, I mean accountant knows for sure...

Still I think the torch has been passed and the kid is bringing home the bucks now...

Doyle's just in it for the smiles, yahoos, and adulation that he gets for showing up for an event now and then...

I mean it's like Frank Sinatra trying to sing when he was 80 years old...

Please!....
Here we go. A couple days ago I responded to a post wherin the guy said his father's early 40s brain wasn't "plastic enough" to comprehend poker concepts.

As a 52-year old who has been playing and learning for a year (and has big aspirations), I strongly objected, and said that I should run that one by my father--he might comment in his blog.

As for Doyle, I heard a rumor that he got another WSOP bracelet recently, and about a week ago I saw him on TV at a WPT final table.

I guess he doesn't know that he's too old to be doing that.
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01-26-2008 , 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Warnaldo
Doyle uses $100 bills
Actually he usually uses $50's. $100's if he had chili.
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01-26-2008 , 07:55 AM
All this bashing, bashing, and more bashing of Doyle's book. Why don't you guys give it a chance? It did wonders for me, here's just some things I've learned from it.

#1 It works as a paper-weight.
#2 It comes in handy for a Door-Stop.
#3 It makes VERY good kindling for the fireplace.
#4 It makes a decent substitute for toilet-paper when desperate.
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01-26-2008 , 08:34 AM
Two points:

1. Cardoza's internet hold em and Doyles Online Poker Book are better served as toilet paper than reading material. They are full of generic,generally useless advice and serve more as an advertisement to cash in on the poker boom than as a training tool.

2. Even a novice can see this upon first glance, which confirms the validity of point #1.

unless you are low on charmin, don't reach for either one.
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