I've got a couple of questions that are all related so I'll list them so it's easier to reply.
For all questions assume we are playing in the micros so the rake is high, we have minimal info on villian.(new to the table or fastfold) There's no crazy squeezer in the blinds and we start 100BB deep.

1. Should I consider rake when constructing a default calling/3B range?

2. After looking into different cold calling ranges. (upswing vs pokersnowie) if you compare say btn v utg upswing would call all suited Broadway's where as snowie would fold the worse ones and 3B KQs and KJs ATs ect I guess the question is which is better ? Upswing too loose or is pokersnowie to tight?

3. How would you choose to play these hands btn v utg Is it better to call, 3B or fold. AJs,ATs,KQs,KJs,KTs?

Thanks

If you're talking about the micros quit ****ing about running before you can walk with the tools you talk about and just get good at the game

Over 60 000 posts but how many of those have been useful? Please stop posting pointless and unhelpful replies just to boost your post count. (Don't both responding)

lol theres lots of ways you could play these hands 100BB deep on the button against a utg opener.

you could shove.
you could call.
you could 3bet smaller.
you could fold. you could fold to a 4 bet if you 3bet smaller.

Lol very helpful lol lol
Again why bother posting.
The threads in a so called beginner section.

So you'd say the tools you are using are what every beginner starts out with?

Vs an UTG opener, very few hands (maybe 8% on the button??) are particularly profitable, either as calls or 3-bets. Obviously QQ+ and AK are premium hands that would 3-bet, and JJ-99 and AQ are good hands that should make a little bit of money as calls. The only other 'playable' hands in that spot are very close to breakeven, either as calls or as 3-bets.
So with AJs, ATs, KQs, KJs, QJs, 88, 77, 66, 76s, 65s you could call, 3-bet, or fold. Suited aces like A5s also do OK as light 3-bets in that spot.

Personally, I use (tight) ranges that are very similar to Snowie's, but the Upswing ranges are pretty similar and should produce the same kind of results. It's kind of silly when people have raging arguments on forums about whether KJs or AQ should be a 3-bet or a call, when both hands have an EV that's barely above zero and both options are viable. With the "close decisions" (hands that are only slightly +EV), your results will be subject to so much variance that you can't really "prove" which action is the best.

I never said anything about using advanced tools. All I mentioned was two different calling ranges.

Thanks for taking the time to give a detailed responses.

What about something like KTs,QTs? Are they just fine to fold? I can't remember who said it but they said something like KTs IP was to good to fold. I'm not sure tho that's why I'm asking.

I think you can just fold KTs/QTs, but they have close to the same EV as KJs/QJs. Which is to say, not much at all. None of those hands are massively profitable. If they were, there wouldn't be a debate about how to play them. Anyone that says "KTs is too good to fold" is exaggerating or clueless. If you folded it 100% of the time, your winrate wouldn't be affected one iota. Whatever is the bottom of your calling or 3-betting range should have an EV of zero. Whether the bottom of your range is QJs or KTs isn't very important. Neither hand prints money.

All these answers are great. On the 3bet or call KJs, QJs, of the world I like the 3bet when you think you're likely to be squeezed OR it's anon fast fold games like Ignition and that preflop FE is rather high.

The rake should make most of those marginal calls a fold. The best ones can be 3b instead. Flatting there at the micros is a great way to see flops against fishy opponents, but without that read, just fold most and 3b the remainder.

The rake makes them marginal 3-bets as well. (If you get called, you're playing an even bigger pot and thus pay even more rake).

Agree, however, since we are not specifying any reads, then our 3b’s should get some folds and we need *some* drawy combos to balance out our range and prevent observant players to 2b widely.

If I may nit-pick, when we 3b the rake influence turns on the initial 2-bettor and he must now overfold, or play that larger pot with high rake oop.

If villain folds without a flop, we are rake free.

1. yes

2. post ranges

3. I predominantly 3b under the specific criteria you've listed