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12-08-2017 , 12:39 PM

bballwiz

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Actually not sure which way this would count so thought i'd ask:

Does completing from the sb in a limped pot count as 1/1 for VPIP or a 0/0

And does checking big blind count as a 0/1 for vpip or a 0/0?

Thanks

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12-08-2017 , 01:32 PM

King Spew

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Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 15,226

V = voluntary

so I would assume
1/1
0/0

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12-08-2017 , 02:27 PM

squid face

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its been a long time since ive played online King Spew...I agree with the small blind but iirc the bb is 0/1

cuz u played the hand but you didnt voluntarily put the $ in - where as if u are in the BB and its raised and u fold it would be 0/0

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12-08-2017 , 02:43 PM

King Spew

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yep, I only made an assumption. 0/1 makes more sense

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12-08-2017 , 03:08 PM

Brokenstars

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1/1 0/1

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12-08-2017 , 07:16 PM

ArtyMcFly

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Confirmed 1/1 (completed SB) and 0/0 (checked BB) since VPIP stands for voluntarily put money in the pot. (The BB was forced to put in 1bb. The SB is not forced to complete).

Note that VPIP is usually displayed as a percentage on a HUD. So if you only played one hand the HUD would say 100 if you completed in the SB, but it would say 0 if you checked in the BB. You usually play the BB position when you're first dealt in, so if you checked the BB on your first hand and then completed the SB in the second, your HUD would say VPIP: 50 PFR:0 Hands: 2

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12-08-2017 , 09:16 PM

madlex

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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly

Your two paragraphs contradict each other.

If it's 50/0/2 after 2 hands of checking the BB and completing the SB, it should be 1/1 (completed SB) and 0/1 (checked BB) for a total of 1/2 = 50%.

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12-09-2017 , 12:36 AM

browni3141

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You do not have an opportunity to VPIP from the BB if nobody has raised ahead of you, unless you count the opportunity to raise yourself. Checking from the BB should not influence your VPIP stat, IMO, so 0/0.

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12-09-2017 , 11:19 AM

Brokenstars

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I think it should count. Let me know if it doesn't.

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12-09-2017 , 12:49 PM

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madlex

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Originally Posted by browni3141

Raising is obv. an opportunity to voluntarily put money in the pot? The number doesn't indicate how often a player called but in what number of hands he either called or raised.

Should the value be 1/0 if you raise from the BB?

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12-09-2017 , 01:42 PM

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ArtyMcFly

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Originally Posted by browni3141

You do not have an opportunity to VPIP from the BB if nobody has raised ahead of you

Not true. Provided you (and your opponent(s)) have more than 1bb, you have an opportunity to VPIP in every hand. Raising a limper would be an example of both VPIP-ing and PFR-ing.

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12-09-2017 , 03:09 PM

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bballwiz

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Is there an intermediate questions forum? lol

So I think it's universal that sb completing is a 1/1

If I had to bet on it I would think bb checking is 0/1 because if you raise bb it would be a 1/1. Therefore if you counted only the times where you raised and not checked you could have a percentage above 100%

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12-09-2017 , 06:19 PM

#13

sixfour

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BB is a weird case as it's unique in that there's spots where you can still opt to not put money in the pot but still see a future street. That said, in the kind of boring games whereby this is relevant it's not going to come up too often as there's always some monkey that'll raise it up, and even if not it's not going to affect the headline figure by enough to affect a god damn thing

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12-10-2017 , 09:30 PM

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_dave_

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Originally Posted by Brokenstars

1/1 0/1

This is the correct answer. As others have stated, you could raise instead of checking the BB which is an opportunity to put money in the pot.

A useful thing to learn how to do is look in PokerTracker - for all the stats, it gives usually quite a decent description of how it's calculated, and also the formulas it uses to do so.

Do: Configure -> Stats, $ / Players / Stats, search: VPIP, click it.

In this case it says this:

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Percentage of the time that a player voluntarily contributed money to the pot, given that he had a chance to do so.

Formula: Number of Times Player Put Money In Pot / (Number of Hands - Number of Walks)

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12-10-2017 , 11:08 PM

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King Spew

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For those that don't know, _dave_ is a moderator in the Software areas....and has been for many years.

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12-10-2017 , 11:09 PM

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sw_emigre

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More important, if the number of hands you have on a V is influenced this dearly by a single complete from SB or check from BB, then you don't have enough data to be drawing many conclusions anyway.

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