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08-11-2014 , 04:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gamma001
No one should raise anything on these boards either but they obviously do so making generalised statements like that doesn't add anything to your argument. What we definitely shouldn't do is fold close to 100% of our range in any spot, unless we are sure we can hyper exploit someone with our super strong read.


Ya DONT MAKE GENERALIZED STATEMENTS, YET YOU SHOULD NEVER RAISE ON THAT BOARD TEXTURE. Raising on those board textures are fine, especially when you will auto stack villains value range plus get ppl to spaz since we "rep nothing". We are the most clueless reg posters on this site, idk why i always end up arguing w you, i should really stop myself.
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08-11-2014 , 05:16 PM
How should I have played this.

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $2.86
Hero (SB): $6.91
BB: $2.07
UTG: $10.87
MP: $5.99
CO: $2.00

Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has A 4

fold, MP raises to $0.06, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.05, fold

Flop: ($0.14, 2 players) T 5 2
Hero checks, MP bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.34, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, MP bets $0.29, Hero raises to $0.84, MP calls $0.55

River: ($2.02, 2 players) 7
Hero bets $0.91, MP calls $0.91

Spoiler:
Hero shows A 4 (High Card, Ace) (Pre 34%, Flop 34%, Turn 23%)
MP shows 5 5 (Three of a Kind, Fives) (Pre 66%, Flop 66%, Turn 77%)
MP wins $3.71
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08-11-2014 , 05:25 PM
fold pre, don't raise turn, don't bet river.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowItDown
Ya DONT MAKE GENERALIZED STATEMENTS, YET YOU SHOULD NEVER RAISE ON THAT BOARD TEXTURE.
3/10 Reading comprehension.
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08-11-2014 , 05:35 PM
    Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $3.65 (182.5 bb)
    Hero (BB): $2.18 (109 bb)
    UTG: $2 (100 bb)
    MP: $1.67 (83.5 bb)
    CO: $4.40 (220 bb)
    BTN: $1.76 (88 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A A
    4 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $0.10, SB calls $0.08

    Flop: ($0.20) A 7 5 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.06, SB calls $0.06

    Turn: ($0.32) 5 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.10, SB calls $0.10

    River: ($0.52) 4 (2 players)
    SB bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.64, SB calls $0.44

    Spoiler:
    Results: $1.80 pot ($0.06 rake)
    Final Board: A 7 5 5 4
    SB mucked J A and lost (-$0.90 net)
    Hero showed A A and won $1.74 ($0.84 net)



    Shove river? Bet more on the turn? I bet only around 35% on the flop because I wanted to keep him in as it was unlikely he had any ace after seeing the flop AND him limping into me from the SB
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    08-11-2014 , 05:54 PM
    Your sizing on every street (bar pre) is awful. Checking the flop is better than betting so small if that's what you want to do however I can't see why betting like 16c isn't miles better. Yes you block Ax but it's 2nl so you get called by any ace, any 7, any SD, most likely mid PPs too.
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    08-11-2014 , 06:03 PM
    Point taken, thanks. I wont bother with those small bets in future, I kind of wanted to give him good odds to continue with anything but like you said its 2nl so yeah its likely the guy is not even thinking about that
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    08-11-2014 , 06:28 PM
      Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      Hero (SB): $2 (100 bb)
      BB: $1.06 (53 bb)
      UTG: $0.65 (32.5 bb)
      MP: $2.15 (107.5 bb)
      CO: $1.96 (98 bb)
      BTN: $2.03 (101.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with A A
      2 folds, CO raises to $0.06, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.18, BB folds, CO calls $0.12

      Flop: ($0.38) K J J (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.22, CO calls $0.22

      Turn: ($0.82) 8 (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.54, CO calls $0.54

      River: ($1.90) 8 (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.06 and is all-in, CO calls $1.02 and is all-in

      Spoiler:
      Results: $3.94 pot ($0.14 rake)
      Final Board: K J J 8 8
      Hero showed A A and won $3.80 ($1.84 net)
      CO showed T 9 and lost (-$1.96 net)


      Ha.
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      08-11-2014 , 08:30 PM
      What do you guys think of this fold?
      If it's good, do you think there is a case for folding flop or is that too nitty ?


        Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

        SB: $72.11 (288.4 bb)
        BB: $18.10 (72.4 bb)
        UTG: $28.33 (113.3 bb)
        MP: $26.33 (105.3 bb)
        CO: $36.33 (145.3 bb)
        Hero (BTN): $26.35 (105.4 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BTN with K A
        UTG raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, CO calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3.40, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.65, MP folds, CO calls $2.65

        Flop: ($11.30) 6 A 3 (3 players)
        UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets $5, UTG folds, CO raises to $10, Hero calls $5

        Turn: ($31.30) A (2 players)
        CO bets $22.93 and is all-in, Hero folds

        Spoiler:
        Results: $31.30 pot ($1.41 rake)
        Final Board: 6 A 3 A
        CO mucked and won $29.89 ($16.49 net)
        Hero mucked K A and lost (-$13.40 net)
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        08-11-2014 , 10:01 PM
        [converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

        Hero (SB): $5.43 (108.6 bb)
        BB: $5 (100 bb)
        UTG: $10.93 (218.6 bb)
        MP: $2.16 (43.2 bb)
        CO: $5.18 (103.6 bb)
        BTN: $5.07 (101.4 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with A J
        UTG folds, MP calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB folds, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25

        Flop: ($0.95) 9 8 A (3 players)
        Hero bets $0.55, MP folds, CO raises to $1.10, Hero calls $0.55

        Turn: ($3.15) 7 (2 players)
        Hero checks, CO bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

        River: ($3.35) J (2 players)
        Hero checks, CO bets $1.60, Hero ???
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        08-12-2014 , 01:34 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by NeA
        What do you guys think of this fold?
        If it's good, do you think there is a case for folding flop or is that too nitty ?


          Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

          SB: $72.11 (288.4 bb)
          BB: $18.10 (72.4 bb)
          UTG: $28.33 (113.3 bb)
          MP: $26.33 (105.3 bb)
          CO: $36.33 (145.3 bb)
          Hero (BTN): $26.35 (105.4 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BTN with K A
          UTG raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, CO calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3.40, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.65, MP folds, CO calls $2.65

          Flop: ($11.30) 6 A 3 (3 players)
          UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets $5, UTG folds, CO raises to $10, Hero calls $5

          Turn: ($31.30) A (2 players)
          CO bets $22.93 and is all-in, Hero folds

          Spoiler:
          Results: $31.30 pot ($1.41 rake)
          Final Board: 6 A 3 A
          CO mucked and won $29.89 ($16.49 net)
          Hero mucked K A and lost (-$13.40 net)
          That turn fold is really bad and of course we're not folding flop.
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          08-12-2014 , 04:06 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
          That turn fold is really bad and of course we're not folding flop.
          really bad??
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          08-12-2014 , 04:39 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by MicroPlayer
          [converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

          Hero (SB): $5.43 (108.6 bb)
          BB: $5 (100 bb)
          UTG: $10.93 (218.6 bb)
          MP: $2.16 (43.2 bb)
          CO: $5.18 (103.6 bb)
          BTN: $5.07 (101.4 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is SB with A J
          UTG folds, MP calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB folds, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25

          Flop: ($0.95) 9 8 A (3 players)
          Hero bets $0.55, MP folds, CO raises to $1.10, Hero calls $0.55

          Turn: ($3.15) 7 (2 players)
          Hero checks, CO bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

          River: ($3.35) J (2 players)
          Hero checks, CO bets $1.60, Hero ???
          Call, I think its between set or lower two pair
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          08-12-2014 , 05:46 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
          That turn fold is really bad and of course we're not folding flop.
          I'm not sure I'd be folding but this is far too extreme considering he has a set at least 50% of the time he minraises flop.
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          08-12-2014 , 06:34 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
          That turn fold is really bad and of course we're not folding flop.
          What hands do you think you beat? Flush draw got there, 66/33/A6/A3 all beat you, I don't think you're getting the correct odds to draw to your FH (although I've not run the math). Yes you have trip aces with top kicker, but all you beat is a random spaz bluff. And why would these hands overbet shove the turn, when your range is full of Ax (especially as you 3bet pre) and flush draws which villain will assume you're not folding. I think you're either trolling or you're a station who pays off nits all the time.
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          08-12-2014 , 08:29 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by smokybacon
          What hands do you think you beat? Flush draw got there, 66/33/A6/A3 all beat you, I don't think you're getting the correct odds to draw to your FH (although I've not run the math). Yes you have trip aces with top kicker, but all you beat is a random spaz bluff. And why would these hands overbet shove the turn, when your range is full of Ax (especially as you 3bet pre) and flush draws which villain will assume you're not folding. I think you're either trolling or you're a station who pays off nits all the time.
          'Random spaz bluffs' are a hell of a lot more common in 3bet pots for a start.

          Villain could potentially have AQ or maybe AJ too. No, I've no idea why people raise these hands on the flop, but they do all the time. As for A6 and A3, I think it's highly unlikely villain calls a squeeze with those.

          It's hardly been a station to get your stack in with trips top kicker in a 3bet pot when the SPR is 2 on the flop.
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          08-13-2014 , 07:38 AM
          AQ AJ, even set shoving oop when flush hits? Not very often imo.
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          08-14-2014 , 04:27 PM
            Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

            SB: $5.72 (114.4 bb)
            BB: $5.19 (103.8 bb)
            UTG: $5.20 (104 bb)
            Hero (MP): $6.64 (132.8 bb)
            CO: $6.51 (130.2 bb)
            BTN: $4.88 (97.6 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is MP with J A
            UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.15, CO raises to $0.52, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.37

            Flop: ($1.11) 7 J 5 (2 players)
            Hero checks, CO bets $0.53, Hero calls $0.53

            Turn: ($2.17) 4 (2 players)
            Hero checks, CO bets $2.08, Hero calls $2.08

            River: ($6.33) 9 (2 players)
            Hero checks, CO bets $3.03, Hero folds

            Spoiler:
            Results: $6.33 pot ($0.26 rake)
            Final Board: 7 J 5 4 9
            Hero mucked J A and lost (-$3.13 net)
            CO mucked and won $6.07 ($2.94 net)


            Just fold on the turn pot bet? No hands or history with Villian
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            08-14-2014 , 04:30 PM
            Just fold pre
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            08-14-2014 , 04:38 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by SlowItDown
            wp on the gif. You should be some sort of abstract gif artist.

            Quote:
            Originally Posted by SlowItDown
            Raising on those board textures are fine, especially when you will auto stack villains value range plus get ppl to spaz since we "rep nothing".
            We stack villains value range on this board on most run outs. Ranges a for cbetting on them boards are really polarized.

            But yea I forgot people 3bet bluff kxxr boards in 3bet pots and call down with Ace and Q high as a std now days, so your completely right. Raising on these super dry boards where we have a weak call down range is a really really solid play.

            Quote:
            Originally Posted by SlowItDown
            We are the most clueless reg posters on this site, idk why i always end up arguing w you, i should really stop myself.
            I don't know if by we you just meant me, but w/e if you did. Your opinion of my posts/input on this forum isn't exactly high up on my care list.
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            08-14-2014 , 04:41 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by Dunna100
            Just fold pre
            Yep. Don't make a habit of calling 3-bets OOP with very much at all, but especially not with offsuit dominated Broadways.
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            08-14-2014 , 04:48 PM
            well not MP vs CO anyway, w/e about CO vs BTN or SB vs BB
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            08-14-2014 , 07:52 PM
            Raise or call no reads?


            Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
            DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

            BTN: $25.49
            SB: $17.66
            BB: $23.95
            UTG: $7.94
            MP: $19.86
            Hero (CO): $13.47

            Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with K Q
            1 fold, MP raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 3 folds

            Flop: ($0.75) Q A 5 (2 players)
            MP checks, Hero checks

            Turn: ($0.75) Q (2 players)
            MP bets $0.72, Hero calls $0.72

            River: ($2.19) T (2 players)
            MP bets $2.09, Hero???
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            08-14-2014 , 08:02 PM
            r/f to like 5.50
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            08-15-2014 , 03:20 PM
            unknown villain.. sizings ok? Is he never taking this line with a set? or even a fishy played AA? but i guess it is a flush too much of the time to be an easy fold?

              Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #29669841

              Hero (BTN): $7.81 (156.2 bb)
              SB: $11.54 (230.8 bb)
              BB: $6.53 (130.6 bb)
              UTG: $13.54 (270.8 bb)
              MP: $12.95 (259 bb)
              CO: $5.95 (119 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BTN with K K
              UTG raises to $0.15, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.55, SB folds, BB calls $0.50, UTG calls $0.40

              Flop: ($1.67) K 3 2 (3 players)
              BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.75, BB folds, UTG calls $0.75

              Turn: ($3.17) Q (2 players)
              UTG checks, Hero bets $1.60, UTG calls $1.60

              River: ($6.37) 4 (2 players)
              UTG bets $6.11, Hero folds

              Spoiler:
              Results: $6.37 pot ($0.26 rake)
              Final Board: K 3 2 Q 4
              Hero mucked K K and lost (-$2.90 net)
              UTG mucked and won $6.11 ($3.21 net)



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              08-15-2014 , 03:26 PM
              Your bet sizing is so small. Bigger flop and bomb turn, you're missing out on a tonne of value
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