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08-11-2014 , 04:02 PM

#16376

SlowItDown

self-banned

Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,732

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamma001

No one should raise anything on these boards either but they obviously do so making generalised statements like that doesn't add anything to your argument. What we definitely shouldn't do is fold close to 100% of our range in any spot, unless we are sure we can hyper exploit someone with our super strong read.

Ya DONT MAKE GENERALIZED STATEMENTS, YET YOU SHOULD NEVER RAISE ON THAT BOARD TEXTURE. Raising on those board textures are fine, especially when you will auto stack villains value range plus get ppl to spaz since we "rep nothing". We are the most clueless reg posters on this site, idk why i always end up arguing w you, i should really stop myself.

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08-11-2014 , 05:16 PM

#16377

Thalo

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 172

How should I have played this.

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $2.86
Hero (SB): $6.91
BB: $2.07
UTG: $10.87
MP: $5.99
CO: $2.00

Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has A

fold, MP raises to $0.06, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.05, fold

Flop: ($0.14, 2 players) T

Hero checks, MP bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.34, 2 players) Q

Hero checks, MP bets $0.29, Hero raises to $0.84, MP calls $0.55

River: ($2.02, 2 players) 7

Hero bets $0.91, MP calls $0.91

Spoiler:

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08-11-2014 , 05:25 PM

#16378

MMSS

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 4,680

fold pre, don't raise turn, don't bet river.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlowItDown

Ya DONT MAKE GENERALIZED STATEMENTS, YET YOU SHOULD NEVER RAISE ON THAT BOARD TEXTURE.

3/10 Reading comprehension.

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08-11-2014 , 05:35 PM

#16379

MicroPlayer

newbie

Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 26

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $3.65 (182.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $2.18 (109 bb)
UTG: $2 (100 bb)
MP: $1.67 (83.5 bb)
CO: $4.40 (220 bb)
BTN: $1.76 (88 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

4 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $0.10, SB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.20) A

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.06, SB calls $0.06

Turn: ($0.32) 5

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.10, SB calls $0.10

River: ($0.52) 4

(2 players)
SB bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.64, SB calls $0.44

Spoiler:

Shove river? Bet more on the turn? I bet only around 35% on the flop because I wanted to keep him in as it was unlikely he had any ace after seeing the flop AND him limping into me from the SB

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08-11-2014 , 05:54 PM

#16380

MMSS

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 4,680

Your sizing on every street (bar pre) is awful. Checking the flop is better than betting so small if that's what you want to do however I can't see why betting like 16c isn't miles better. Yes you block Ax but it's 2nl so you get called by any ace, any 7, any SD, most likely mid PPs too.

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08-11-2014 , 06:03 PM

#16381

MicroPlayer

newbie

Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 26

Point taken, thanks. I wont bother with those small bets in future, I kind of wanted to give him good odds to continue with anything but like you said its 2nl so yeah its likely the guy is not even thinking about that

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08-11-2014 , 06:28 PM

#16382

MicroPlayer

newbie

Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 26

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $2 (100 bb)
BB: $1.06 (53 bb)
UTG: $0.65 (32.5 bb)
MP: $2.15 (107.5 bb)
CO: $1.96 (98 bb)
BTN: $2.03 (101.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

2 folds, CO raises to $0.06, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.18, BB folds, CO calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.38) K

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.22, CO calls $0.22

Turn: ($0.82) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.54, CO calls $0.54

River: ($1.90) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.06 and is all-in, CO calls $1.02 and is all-in

Spoiler:

Ha.

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08-11-2014 , 08:30 PM

#16383

NeA

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 603

What do you guys think of this fold?
If it's good, do you think there is a case for folding flop or is that too nitty ?

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $72.11 (288.4 bb)
BB: $18.10 (72.4 bb)
UTG: $28.33 (113.3 bb)
MP: $26.33 (105.3 bb)
CO: $36.33 (145.3 bb)
Hero (BTN): $26.35 (105.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K

UTG raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, CO calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3.40, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.65, MP folds, CO calls $2.65

Flop: ($11.30) 6

(3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets $5, UTG folds, CO raises to $10, Hero calls $5

Turn: ($31.30) A

(2 players)
CO bets $22.93 and is all-in, Hero folds

Spoiler:

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08-11-2014 , 10:01 PM

#16384

MicroPlayer

newbie

Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 26

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $5.43 (108.6 bb)
BB: $5 (100 bb)
UTG: $10.93 (218.6 bb)
MP: $2.16 (43.2 bb)
CO: $5.18 (103.6 bb)
BTN: $5.07 (101.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

UTG folds, MP calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB folds, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.95) 9

(3 players)
Hero bets $0.55, MP folds, CO raises to $1.10, Hero calls $0.55

Turn: ($3.15) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

River: ($3.35) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.60, Hero ???

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08-12-2014 , 01:34 AM

#16385

DonkeyStars

banned

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 1,018

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeA

What do you guys think of this fold?
If it's good, do you think there is a case for folding flop or is that too nitty ?

UTG raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, CO calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3.40, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.65, MP folds, CO calls $2.65

Flop: ($11.30) 6

(3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets $5, UTG folds, CO raises to $10, Hero calls $5

Turn: ($31.30) A

(2 players)
CO bets $22.93 and is all-in, Hero folds

Spoiler:

That turn fold is really bad and of course we're not folding flop.

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08-12-2014 , 04:06 AM

#16386

mirage01

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,151

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonkeyStars

That turn fold is really bad and of course we're not folding flop.

really bad??

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08-12-2014 , 04:39 AM

#16387

Canuckage

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 2,464

Quote:

Originally Posted by MicroPlayer

UTG folds, MP calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB folds, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.95) 9

(3 players)
Hero bets $0.55, MP folds, CO raises to $1.10, Hero calls $0.55

Turn: ($3.15) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

River: ($3.35) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.60, Hero ???

Call, I think its between set or lower two pair

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08-12-2014 , 05:46 AM

#16388

TheDefiniteArticle

Indecisive

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 14,125

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonkeyStars

That turn fold is really bad and of course we're not folding flop.

I'm not sure I'd be folding but this is far too extreme considering he has a set at least 50% of the time he minraises flop.

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08-12-2014 , 06:34 AM

#16389

smokybacon

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Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,390

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonkeyStars

That turn fold is really bad and of course we're not folding flop.

What hands do you think you beat? Flush draw got there, 66/33/A6/A3 all beat you, I don't think you're getting the correct odds to draw to your FH (although I've not run the math). Yes you have trip aces with top kicker, but all you beat is a random spaz bluff. And why would these hands overbet shove the turn, when your range is full of Ax (especially as you 3bet pre) and flush draws which villain will assume you're not folding. I think you're either trolling or you're a station who pays off nits all the time.

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08-12-2014 , 08:29 AM

#16390

DonkeyStars

banned

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 1,018

Quote:

Originally Posted by smokybacon

'Random spaz bluffs' are a hell of a lot more common in 3bet pots for a start.

Villain could potentially have AQ or maybe AJ too. No, I've no idea why people raise these hands on the flop, but they do all the time. As for A6 and A3, I think it's highly unlikely villain calls a squeeze with those.

It's hardly been a station to get your stack in with trips top kicker in a 3bet pot when the SPR is 2 on the flop.

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08-13-2014 , 07:38 AM

#16391

mirage01

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,151

AQ AJ, even set shoving oop when flush hits? Not very often imo.

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08-14-2014 , 04:27 PM

#16392

MicroPlayer

newbie

Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 26

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $5.72 (114.4 bb)
BB: $5.19 (103.8 bb)
UTG: $5.20 (104 bb)
Hero (MP): $6.64 (132.8 bb)
CO: $6.51 (130.2 bb)
BTN: $4.88 (97.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J

UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.15, CO raises to $0.52, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.37

Flop: ($1.11) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.53, Hero calls $0.53

Turn: ($2.17) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.08, Hero calls $2.08

River: ($6.33) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3.03, Hero folds

Spoiler:

Just fold on the turn pot bet? No hands or history with Villian

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08-14-2014 , 04:30 PM

#16393

Dunna100

Accept No Substitute

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 6,168

Just fold pre

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08-14-2014 , 04:38 PM

#16394

gamma001

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 4,144

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlowItDown

wp on the gif. You should be some sort of abstract gif artist.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlowItDown

Raising on those board textures are fine, especially when you will auto stack villains value range plus get ppl to spaz since we "rep nothing".

We stack villains value range on this board on most run outs. Ranges a for cbetting on them boards are really polarized.

But yea I forgot people 3bet bluff kxxr boards in 3bet pots and call down with Ace and Q high as a std now days, so your completely right. Raising on these super dry boards where we have a weak call down range is a really really solid play.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlowItDown

We are the most clueless reg posters on this site, idk why i always end up arguing w you, i should really stop myself.

I don't know if by we you just meant me, but w/e if you did. Your opinion of my posts/input on this forum isn't exactly high up on my care list.

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08-14-2014 , 04:41 PM

#16395

ArtySmokes

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 6,999

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunna100

Just fold pre

Yep. Don't make a habit of calling 3-bets OOP with very much at all, but especially not with offsuit dominated Broadways.

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08-14-2014 , 04:48 PM

#16396

gamma001

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 4,144

well not MP vs CO anyway, w/e about CO vs BTN or SB vs BB

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08-14-2014 , 07:52 PM

#16397

Callaway

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 120

Raise or call no reads?

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $25.49
SB: $17.66
BB: $23.95
UTG: $7.94
MP: $19.86
Hero (CO): $13.47

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with K

1 fold, MP raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.75) Q

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.75) Q

(2 players)
MP bets $0.72, Hero calls $0.72

River: ($2.19) T

(2 players)
MP bets $2.09, Hero???

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08-14-2014 , 08:02 PM

#16398

TheDefiniteArticle

Indecisive

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 14,125

r/f to like 5.50

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08-15-2014 , 03:20 PM

#16399

papillon_

old hand

Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 1,467

unknown villain.. sizings ok? Is he never taking this line with a set? or even a fishy played AA? but i guess it is a flush too much of the time to be an easy fold?

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #29669841

Hero (BTN): $7.81 (156.2 bb)
SB: $11.54 (230.8 bb)
BB: $6.53 (130.6 bb)
UTG: $13.54 (270.8 bb)
MP: $12.95 (259 bb)
CO: $5.95 (119 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K

UTG raises to $0.15, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.55, SB folds, BB calls $0.50, UTG calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.67) K

(3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.75, BB folds, UTG calls $0.75

Turn: ($3.17) Q

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.60, UTG calls $1.60

River: ($6.37) 4

(2 players)
UTG bets $6.11, Hero folds

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