I posted it because I thought it was pretty funny that he called a 3 bet and then got all in with J2s. Sort of like a "check out this freaks hand!" post. anyway, screw you both you miserable gits.

I'm glad I'm not playing 5NL

Muahahahahahahahaha.

In before doomswitch obv for trolling chad

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $13.71
SB: $3.50
BB: $11.67
UTG: $5.60
MP: $5.92
CO: $5.05

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 6 6

fold, MP calls $0.05, fold, Hero raises to $0.20, fold, fold, MP calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.47, 2 players) 3 Q 6
MP bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.70, MP calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.87, 2 players) 4
MP checks, Hero bets $1.45, MP calls $1.45

River: ($4.77, 2 players) A
MP bets $3.57 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.57

MP shows A 2 (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 30%, Flop 5%, Turn 9%)
Hero shows 6 6 (Three of a Kind, Sixes) (Pre 70%, Flop 95%, Turn 91%)
Hero wins $11.42


Better?

easy game.

Lawl

If we're playing this "strategy" on a HU-table where everyone on the tables just folds every hand and there is no rake, our EV is exactly break-even. When the Milestone hands are running and we win some money every millionth hand, we're also winning some money in the long-run. Since we aren't paying rake this win would be 20$ if losing, 40$ if winning the MS hand. The likelihood of winning vs. losing would be 50-50, since we don't know our starting hands before the hand and there are two players.
EV_hand=(0.5*20$+0.5*40$)/1000000=0.00003$
When 24-tabling HU and folding every hand during a Milestone promotion, our avg win per hand is 0.003 cent. This could turn out in to a nice hourly rate when playing enough hands.

Let's calculate the same thing on a Zoom-FR table. Assuming we're playing $2NL, we would lose 0.03$ every 9 hands since we're paying a BB and a SB every orbit . We have to play 1000000 hands to win 20$ or 40$ while the likelihood of winning the 40$ is just 1/9 since there are 9 players.
Isn't it obvious we're having a losing strategy here? Just for fun I'll go further.
Every orbit (=9 hands) we're losing 3 cent and we have to play 111111.1 orbits in order to reach 1 mio hands. So the price for getting to the millionth hand would be 3.3k$ (111111.1*-0.03$=-3333.3333$).
Let's calculate the EV while a milestone promotion is running.
EV_1MIOhands=(111111.1*-0.03$)+((1/9)*40$+(8/9)*20$)/1000000=-3333.332778$
EV_hand=((111111.1*-0.03$)+((1/9)*40$+(8/9)*20$)/1000000)/1000000=-0.003333333$
So, if we're trying the same thing at a zoom table it would cost us 0.3 cent per hand. You're right, Mr Beer!

Am I doing this right? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Of course, we could now think about playing this game just a short time before the next ten-billionth hand is reached (winning a bigger price) or playing a better (still simple) "strategy" like openshoving KK+. But no matter what, we are the nit and we would pay a lot of money in blinds like every nit does it.
So I would be glad if you join my tables and try a strategy like that.

The only thing I wanted to say with this is that Milestone hands at Zoom won't be such a bad idea. But surely it's not the only way to get more traffic.

No matter what promotion it is, I think now would be a great time to start such a promotion in order to rescue the traffic on 200/500nl FR.

Thank you guys for reading.

Dear god what have I done...

Sh*t just got real. (tl;dr)

To be a good player am I supposed to understand all that?!

Me likey da Zoomz

nl10 isnt much diff than regt ables tbh

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $48.84
SB: $11.36
Hero (BB): $10.32
UTG: $14.61
MP: $7.79
CO: $12.19

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.30, fold, Hero raises to $0.95, BTN calls $0.65

Flop: ($1.95, 2 players) 3 Q 6
Hero bets $0.90, BTN calls $0.90

Turn: ($3.75, 2 players) 8
Hero bets $2.80, BTN raises to $46.99 and is all-in, Hero calls $5.67 and is all-in

River: ($20.69, 2 players) A

Hero shows Q Q (Three of a Kind, Queens) (Pre 85%, Flop 93%, Turn 100%)
BTN shows T 8 (One Pair, Eights) (Pre 15%, Flop 7%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins $19.76



PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $9.60
Hero (SB): $10.24
BB: $8.64
UTG: $15.62
MP: $21.67
CO: $28.61

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 5 5

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.25, fold

Flop: ($0.70, 2 players) 9 3 5
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.70, 2 players) T
Hero bets $0.53, BTN raises to $1.06, Hero raises to $3.29, BTN calls $2.23

River: ($7.28, 2 players) K
Hero bets $6.65 and is all-in, BTN calls $6.01 and is all-in

Hero shows 5 5 (Three of a Kind, Fives) (Pre 51%, Flop 96%, Turn 100%)
BTN mucks A T (One Pair, Tens) (Pre 49%, Flop 4%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins $18.43


PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $26.84
SB: $8.30
BB: $21.57
UTG: $7.23
Hero (MP): $10.80
CO: $10.00

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has K K

fold, Hero raises to $0.35, CO raises to $0.90, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.55

Flop: ($1.95, 2 players) 4 Q 4
Hero checks, CO bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.35, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, CO bets $3.30, Hero raises to $8.70 and is all-in, fold

Hero wins $10.46

50NL is fun... Less fish than at 25NL and more decent regs - but my god some are weak-tight morons! And very prone to the old Fancy play syndrom.

Anyone got any numbers of VPP/hand rates at 50NL 6 max zoom? Im currently getting 0.12 which seems unusually low.

I was getting 0.035ish at NL10 n 0.085ish at NL25 soo...


Pokerstars vpp calculator says:
nl10 6 max : 0.07
nl25 6 max : 0.1236
nl50 6 max : 0.2154
I guess thats if ur playin like a maniac lol

I tend to play around 32/22, which is I guess loose-ish. VPIP < 20 is tight, ~15 is a nit imo.

They don't always have a flush on a flush board. The times they most often don't have it are when they are the pfr, and when they are IP and no-one else has stabbed. It's possible to pick these off or bluff raise if you have a read on the individual villain, but in a vacuum it's usually best to let these go if all you have is an overpair.

It works out fairly accuratly at the standard ring games. (Except NL10 - thats way off).

I was getting .12vpp/hand at 25NL 6 max normal tables after the rake/vip changes this year.

At 25NL Zoom, I was getting 0.08vpp/hand so I was expecting 50NL to be near to 0.16vpp/hand... I guess its a reflection on how tough (or nitty) 50NL actually is - especially at zoom

I was getting 158VPP p/h at 50nl, about 900 hands ph so 0.18per hand/

don't even begin to worry about vpp and rackback at micro stakes imo.

Its nice. Never got tired of the weekly bankroll boost at Stan James - kept me motivated!

I was planning a SN grind over the next few months. I belive I would have atained it had the vpp/hand rate been something like 0.20vpp/hand like it used to be.

0.12vpp/hand kinda makes SN an impossible task for this year - and likely next year too. (833k hands is a tad too much to ask for! 500k is prolly doable if I put a good summer in)

As soon as FTP comes back, will prolly jump ship. I kinda hope they merge the zoom and rush poker player pools in to one.

my values are 0.28vpp/hand for zoom nl100, 0.18 for 50nl, 0.11 for 25nl, all 6max

hi.. im' new...wich stat you suggest for HUD in zoom poker?

the same stats you would use for normal tables

I also use the same. Played around with less as multitabling Zoom is more hectic, but came back to the old HUD as I use them all in different situations

Deffo worth it at 50nl and 100nl imo, liike $10 ph rakeback at 50nlZ and $16 ph at 100nlz in my samples.

833k hands is 17ish hours a week, not impossible, plus you could move up.

what kinda bankroll are people taking shots at 25nl zoom with. id say its fairly swingy so i was thinking about 7/800 dollars??

I've been following a 20BI rule up until 10nl but for 25nl I'm going for 30BI. Mostly because this is the first stake where it feels the money actually does matter to me if I lose a few BI and by having a bigger BR (and knowing I can grind it back) I hope to minimize any symptoms of playing scared money. I've also heard it can be more swingy than the lower stakes.