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07-08-2013 , 04:59 PM
3.2k rake in 98k hands of 50 Zoom this year.
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07-08-2013 , 05:28 PM
so thats $30/ per 1k hands

seem a bit much since the rake is capped @ $2.50.

ipoker is capped @ $3 and the average there is $32 per 1k hands.
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07-08-2013 , 05:54 PM
Hmm that does seem a lot, would be interesting to compare with others.
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07-08-2013 , 06:00 PM
6bb/100 is fine -- definitely not on the high side.
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07-08-2013 , 06:11 PM
I agree 6bb/100 is fine, but I always assumed that Stars rake was quite a bit lower than ipoker, which is one of the reasons I don't play there even though rb is so good. Although I'm kidding myself if I think that I could ever actually put up with their software.
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07-08-2013 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Micro Zoom Addict
q6 - seems to be working ok so far as it gives me a strategy. Before it was just randomly clicking buttons with a few concepts in the back of my mind.
Yeah for sure it is useful to understand but I would definitely deviate like 100% of the time from it at 25nl just because everyone sucks. Also worth noting DC is just utter **** and full of ****s who do not care about the future of poker.

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Originally Posted by PeoplesElbow
for 50/100nlers

can you just jot down your hands played vs rake paid please
in this database; zoom 43,436-2165.17
normal 53,950-3292.75
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07-08-2013 , 06:23 PM
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Also worth noting DC is just utter **** and full of ****s who do not care about the future of poker.
could you expand on this -- especially bolded.
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07-08-2013 , 06:31 PM
Just the fact they had generally produced **** content for ages and ages and had so many producers who weren't beating the games even compared to other websites. Then suddenly out of the blue blah decides to explain GTO to everyone in absolute layman terms and everyone is playing their range.

I mean it's not like coaches from other websites didn't know about these concepts, or even that they weren't widely known. But other websites realised how horrible it is to suddenly enlighten all the bad regs to how many leaks they have in the overall way they approach the game, wheras DC just didn't give a fk. Now they have also released 'applications of gto', so just telling people their leaks wasn't enough, now they are going to spell out how to fix them.

EDIT; I haven't watched these videos myself so hopefully they are utter dross.
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07-08-2013 , 06:38 PM
I see. I'm not surprised you take the position you do, however there is definitely something to be said that it is their duty to provide the best up-to-date information. Holding back information -- especially when people are paying for their services is bad ethically.
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07-08-2013 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Micro Zoom Addict
My point of view is to use this strategy until we develop some reads and then make some adjustments from there (play exploitative).

Whats your 3b game plan from the blinds and why?
Although there is some merit in playing 'GTO' versus unknowns, we can construct a 3b/calling range preflop which crushes our average population tendencies facing low stake opponents, thus being more effective than trying to incorporate a so called 'GTO' gameplan which is hard to incorporate anyway and is the prefered strategy to use versus opponents that 'use' a GTO strategy themselves.
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07-08-2013 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by YouFaiil
I see. I'm not surprised you take the position you do, however there is definitely something to be said that it is their duty to provide the best up-to-date information. Holding back information -- especially when people are paying for their services is bad ethically.
It is their duty to do the most +ev thing for their subscribers.

When you have someone who doesn't even play any more making most of the videos, he's obviously not going to care too much about the games.
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07-08-2013 , 07:45 PM
I only watch a 1 or two guys on there. Don't talk poker with anyone so that site is part of my learning process. Just brought Jandas book so going to have a look into that to.
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07-08-2013 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Queen6Suited
Yeah for sure it is useful to understand but I would definitely deviate like 100% of the time from it at 25nl just because everyone sucks. Also worth noting DC is just utter **** and full of ****s who do not care about the future of poker.



in this database; zoom 43,436-2165.17
normal 53,950-3292.75
thanks 100nl i assume.

weird id of thought for sure that the rake would be lower for 50nl/100nl guess not
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07-09-2013 , 12:12 AM
Is the black card FTP -> cash conversion the best deal in terms of $/FTP?

I have around 15k @ diamond, not sure if I can make black card playing 25/50nl
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07-09-2013 , 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Queen6Suited
I mean it's not like coaches from other websites didn't know about these concepts, or even that they weren't widely known. But other websites realised how horrible it is to suddenly enlighten all the bad regs to how many leaks they have in the overall way they approach the game, wheras DC just didn't give a fk. Now they have also released 'applications of gto', so just telling people their leaks wasn't enough, now they are going to spell out how to fix them.

EDIT; I haven't watched these videos myself so hopefully they are utter dross.
uhm razed&cnfsd on leggo talks about playing and thinking about your own range since like forever
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07-09-2013 , 05:13 AM
GTO's just a fad
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07-09-2013 , 05:37 AM
I dont normally open A2s>A9s until CO but wanted to try and widen my range a little. Anyway, i feel like i lose money when i have a big draw OOP and face some heat because im never 100% sure what the correct play is.

What's standard on the flop here and as played was folding correct given his bet size?



    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #18306751

    BTN: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
    SB: $8.31 (83.1 bb)
    BB: $15.43 (154.3 bb)
    UTG: $5.84 (58.4 bb)
    Hero (MP): $10.41 (104.1 bb)
    CO: $8.77 (87.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with A 7
    UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.35, CO folds, BTN calls $0.35, 2 folds

    Flop: ($0.85) J K T (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.50, BTN raises to $1.60, Hero calls $1.10

    Turn: ($4.05) 7 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $3.10, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $4.05 pot ($0.18 rake)
    Final Board: J K T 7
    BTN mucked and won $3.87 ($1.92 net)
    Hero mucked A 7 and lost (-$1.95 net)



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    07-09-2013 , 06:43 AM
    [QUOTE=Tosspot;39268987]I dont normally open A2s>A9s until CO but wanted to try and widen my range a little. Anyway, i feel like i lose money when i have a big draw OOP and face some heat because im never 100% sure what the correct play is.

    What's standard on the flop here and as played was folding correct given his bet size?


    Fine as played imo. His turn sizing suggests hes got a made hand and is not drawing. 8 flush outs + 4 straight outs (all to the nuts) = ~25% equity OTT (assuming V isn't drawing). If you were deeper you could call, fold given pot odds.

    EDIT: all this time I've been over-valuing the ratio of players:entries... Games are significantly softer later in the day (AUS/SEA time) whereas I'd previously only play given a <2:1 ratio
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    07-09-2013 , 11:19 AM
    I think I'd ship flop with ~12 outs to the nuts

    probably folding turn as it's going to be hard donking the river and having villain call often enough to make the call on the turn +EV

    Also it's going to be really hard to have some kind of donkbluffing range on the river as most of the best donking cards actually improve our hand :|
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    07-09-2013 , 11:32 AM
    How is my sizing given stack depth? Is 5b shove too big? This tilted me because he probably had a3o or something. Was tempted to call river given odds

    Running 43/30/10.5 over 50 hands


      Full Tilt, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #18313171

      Hero (CO): $56.97 (227.9 bb)
      BTN: $50.26 (201 bb)
      SB: $29.30 (117.2 bb)
      BB: $18.30 (73.2 bb)
      UTG: $33.64 (134.6 bb)
      MP: $41.51 (166 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with K K
      UTG raises to $0.75, MP folds, Hero raises to $2.25, BTN raises to $7.25, 3 folds, Hero raises to $14, BTN calls $6.75

      Flop: ($29.10) A 7 5 (2 players)
      Hero bets $12, BTN calls $12

      Turn: ($53.10) 2 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN checks

      River: ($53.10) 2 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $15, Hero folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: $53.10 pot ($2.65 rake)
      Final Board: A 7 5 2 2
      Hero mucked K K and lost (-$26 net)
      BTN mucked and won $50.45 ($24.45 net)



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      Last edited by ishter; 07-09-2013 at 11:46 AM. Reason: info wrong
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      07-09-2013 , 12:22 PM
      Just spewed off another few buyins.. This hand pushed me over the edge.

      Granted it was a pretty ambitious call but since V reps nothing but air I expect to be ahead some of the time and have 14+ outs when behind.

      -7 BI over 3k hands (Y)


        Full Tilt, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #18313211

        Hero (MP): $25.91 (103.6 bb)
        CO: $28.17 (112.7 bb)
        BTN: $27.23 (108.9 bb)
        SB: $14.53 (58.1 bb)
        BB: $22.90 (91.6 bb)
        UTG: $41.72 (166.9 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is MP with Q 9
        UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, SB calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50

        Flop: ($2.25) 7 T 4 (3 players)
        SB checks, BB bets $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, SB folds

        Turn: ($5.75) J (2 players)
        BB checks, Hero bets $3.25, BB raises to $20.40 and is all-in, Hero calls $17.15

        River: ($46.55) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

        Spoiler:
        Results: $46.55 pot ($2.32 rake)
        Final Board: 7 T 4 J 3
        Hero showed Q 9 and lost (-$22.90 net)
        BB showed Q K and won $44.23 ($21.33 net)



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        07-09-2013 , 12:29 PM
        i need to find a less expensive habit when i'm bored

        [img]http://s8.************/xpm00b5f9/idiot50nl.png[/img]
        screen capture windows 7

        that's -100bb/100 lol
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        07-09-2013 , 12:36 PM
        ouch, looks like you ran into the top of everyones range!
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        07-09-2013 , 12:45 PM
        i have a 3bet of 31% over the sample and am basically barrelling off pretty much everywhere at an absurd frequency. some range cold but mostly playing like a spaz
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        07-09-2013 , 01:03 PM
        BL, run better next time. At least i'm not the only one today
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