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02-10-2013 , 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 50nlRushandBeyond
Meh when i come back in 4 days ill prob begin af 100nl, tbh the jump from 100 to 200 is so big, i know i can beat 100nl (i have a 100k sample at this limit) but 200 is a diff animal and i have no idea if i am +ev.
i enjoyed battling. wish you luck anyway
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02-10-2013 , 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by chiego
then you are running into the top of their ranges constantly
perhaps, i just assumed i was getting outplayed
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02-10-2013 , 04:17 AM
in general at zoom, how tight is too tight?

in theory, having no reads/info/hands on anybody would suggest its going to be hard to do anything that isnt for value.
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02-10-2013 , 04:59 AM
don't be unbalanced kids. give myself a slap on the wrists for this



    Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15992901

    BTN: $144.22 (144.2 bb)
    SB: $122.38 (122.4 bb)
    BB: $98.16 (98.2 bb)
    UTG: $170.05 (170.1 bb)
    Hero (MP): $100 (100 bb)
    CO: $104.21 (104.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with 9 7
    UTG raises to $3, Hero raises to $8, 4 folds, UTG calls $5

    Flop: ($17.50) T T T (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $10, UTG calls $10

    Turn: ($37.50) 6 (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $22, UTG calls $22

    River: ($81.50) K (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $60 and is all-in, UTG calls $60

    Results: $201.50 pot ($2.80 rake)
    Final Board: T T T 6 K
    UTG showed 8 8 and won $198.70 ($98.70 net)
    Hero showed 9 7 and lost (-$100 net)



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    02-10-2013 , 05:26 AM
    People don't like to fold there pairs on ttt etc. Well at least thats what I've found.

    There line of thinking imo. TTT, sweet he can never have a T. As hero fires each barrel villain says ' He is saying he has a T, i don't believe him and which means i have the best hand'. I call.......
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    02-10-2013 , 05:27 AM
    its basically the perfect flop to barrel off on as the pfr
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    02-10-2013 , 05:42 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chip Trafficker
    in general at zoom, how tight is too tight?

    in theory, having no reads/info/hands on anybody would suggest its going to be hard to do anything that isnt for value.
    2c
    My thoughts is you should open each hand until its no longer +ev. I try to think of things in Ev instead of value. When we are on the button with 87s i don't think we are doing it for value but i do think its +ev. Better hands will call/raise/fold, worse hands will call/raise/fold. We have the opportunity to make money preflop when people fold, post flop when people fold and @ showdown when we have the best hand. Also we are in position which allows us to make better decisions postflop.

    With no reads etc I will probably be tighter from ep, mp. Might 3bet a narrower range. Probably still try to steal wide still though.
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    02-10-2013 , 06:04 AM
    Thoughts on this one please.

    These kind of spots always make me scratch my head, as I'm not sure which is the best way to play them

    Literally my first hand v's villain, only read is he's showing silverstar

    I think I can bet flop for value v's all overcard type hands and FDs, as well as lower pairs that may peel flop. I'd expect a raise from 2P and sets most of the time.

    Turn card is kind the worst as less underpairs are folding and FD got there, as did possible SD. He may even float again with Acx

    Did I do it right, or should this be a bet/fold? Obv I have less suited combos UTG but don't know if villain thinks like this or not

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15993391

      BTN: $1.69 (16.9 bb)
      SB: $11.16 (111.6 bb)
      BB: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
      Hero (UTG): $17.55 (175.5 bb)
      MP: $10.54 (105.4 bb)
      CO: $3.50 (35 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7 7
      Hero raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, 3 folds, BB calls $0.20

      Flop: ($0.95) 3 9 5 (3 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.60, MP calls $0.60, BB folds

      Turn: ($2.15) 4 (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP bets $1.22, Hero folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: $2.15 pot ($0.10 rake)
      Final Board: 3 9 5 4
      Hero mucked 7 7 and lost (-$0.90 net)
      MP mucked and won $2.05 ($1.15 net)



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      02-10-2013 , 06:08 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Micro Zoom Addict
      People don't like to fold there pairs on ttt etc. Well at least thats what I've found.

      There line of thinking imo. TTT, sweet he can never have a T. As hero fires each barrel villain says ' He is saying he has a T, i don't believe him and which means i have the best hand'. I call.......
      even though i have a couple of combos, i'm not worried about repping Tx ha. mostly AA/KK

      river is bad in that sense, but good in the sense i thought he would bluffcatch less often on a king. consider me rightfully owned
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      02-10-2013 , 06:09 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Dunna100
      Thoughts on this one please.

      These kind of spots always make me scratch my head, as I'm not sure which is the best way to play them

      Literally my first hand v's villain, only read is he's showing silverstar

      I think I can bet flop for value v's all overcard type hands and FDs, as well as lower pairs that may peel flop. I'd expect a raise from 2P and sets most of the time.

      Turn card is kind the worst as less underpairs are folding and FD got there, as did possible SD. He may even float again with Acx

      Did I do it right, or should this be a bet/fold? Obv I have less suited combos UTG but don't know if villain thinks like this or not

        Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15993391

        BTN: $1.69 (16.9 bb)
        SB: $11.16 (111.6 bb)
        BB: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
        Hero (UTG): $17.55 (175.5 bb)
        MP: $10.54 (105.4 bb)
        CO: $3.50 (35 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7 7
        Hero raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, 3 folds, BB calls $0.20

        Flop: ($0.95) 3 9 5 (3 players)
        BB checks, Hero bets $0.60, MP calls $0.60, BB folds

        Turn: ($2.15) 4 (2 players)
        Hero checks, MP bets $1.22, Hero folds

        Spoiler:
        Results: $2.15 pot ($0.10 rake)
        Final Board: 3 9 5 4
        Hero mucked 7 7 and lost (-$0.90 net)
        MP mucked and won $2.05 ($1.15 net)



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        fine, as is barrelling
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        02-10-2013 , 06:19 AM
        yeah i guess, i tried nitting it up but that didnt really help.

        poker is so difficult when nothing works, your bluffs get called, you can never value bet etc
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        02-10-2013 , 06:31 AM
        @Chip, as you play more hands you get more stats/reads on people, which makes it easier to assign ranges etc.
        Spend time reviewing your sessions, see what lines diff villains take and what people are getting to showdown with.

        If you put in the work, you'll understand betting patterns quite quickly as most are playing a version of ABC poker.

        Everyone has sessions where they get no cards, or hit no flops, or get outdrawn. It just happens. Just learn to lose least in those kind of session and be pleased when you get away from hands on the river for example, and remember it's a long-term game. Short term results mean nothing
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        02-10-2013 , 07:02 AM
        will do.

        think im going to make the effort to not check results as well, completely distracts me from the focus of just trying to play at my best.

        can anyone here recommend note caddy?

        i find it somewhat tough to play 4 tables of zoom and take notes, and it takes a while at the end of sessions to go back through hands and take notes.
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        02-10-2013 , 07:19 AM
        NC is alright though im sure im not taking advantage of it
        Imo Drop a table and spend more time making your decisions, writing notes.
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        02-10-2013 , 07:22 AM
        ^yeah this. Play as many tables as u can cope with.

        I take notes as i play, and after, but i only play 2 tables so i can do this comfortably. If i just wanna grind and review later, then 4 it is
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        02-10-2013 , 07:24 AM
        Oh, and i bought notecaddy but def don't use it very well. Completely my fault as it does pretty much everything u can hope for, i just prefer writing my own session notes and don't use their stats enough in game
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        02-10-2013 , 08:19 AM
        for zoom, does nc take notes on the hands u fold or dont see?

        it seems essential for zoom
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        02-10-2013 , 08:20 AM
        Thoughts on this hand would be appreciated. Snap call when he reships on flop?


          Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15993511

          BTN: $2.41 (48.2 bb)
          SB: $6.83 (136.6 bb)
          BB: $6.08 (121.6 bb)
          UTG: $5.51 (110.2 bb)
          Hero (MP): $5.64 (112.8 bb)
          CO: $6.13 (122.6 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is MP with 7 6
          UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.12, CO raises to $0.20, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.08

          Flop: ($0.47) 5 9 8 (2 players)
          Hero checks, CO bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.72, CO raises to $5.93, Hero calls $4.72 and is all-in

          Turn: ($11.35) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
          River: ($11.35) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

          Spoiler:
          Results: $11.35 pot ($0.47 rake)
          Final Board: 5 9 8 2 7
          Hero showed 7 6 and won $10.88 ($5.24 net)
          CO showed Q Q and lost (-$5.64 net)



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          02-10-2013 , 08:30 AM
          i think you played it fine, dont think u can ever fold flop.
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          02-10-2013 , 08:30 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by Chip Trafficker
          for zoom, does nc take notes on the hands u fold or dont see?

          it seems essential for zoom
          Do some research on it from their website, but essentially yes, it picks up on traits, as well as betsizing and reads from showdown
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          02-10-2013 , 08:33 AM
          @Birdayy I'd normally say fold pre, but his sizing is ridiculous and so if you're going to open this hand from MP then calling the 3bet pre is fine. Yeah flop is an obvious insta-snap-ship imo as it's pretty tough to flop a flush and you're beating everything else, plus villain's would rarely play the nuts so aggro otf
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          02-10-2013 , 08:54 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by Dunna100
          Oh, and i bought notecaddy but def don't use it very well. Completely my fault as it does pretty much everything u can hope for, i just prefer writing my own session notes and don't use their stats enough in game
          Should've just bought PT4, since their version of notecaddy comes with PT itself. Not too sure whether there's a major diff though
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          02-10-2013 , 08:58 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by birdayy
          Thoughts on this hand would be appreciated. Snap call when he reships on flop?


            Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15993511

            BTN: $2.41 (48.2 bb)
            SB: $6.83 (136.6 bb)
            BB: $6.08 (121.6 bb)
            UTG: $5.51 (110.2 bb)
            Hero (MP): $5.64 (112.8 bb)
            CO: $6.13 (122.6 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is MP with 7 6
            UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.12, CO raises to $0.20, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.08

            Flop: ($0.47) 5 9 8 (2 players)
            Hero checks, CO bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.72, CO raises to $5.93, Hero calls $4.72 and is all-in

            Turn: ($11.35) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
            River: ($11.35) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

            Spoiler:
            Results: $11.35 pot ($0.47 rake)
            Final Board: 5 9 8 2 7
            Hero showed 7 6 and won $10.88 ($5.24 net)
            CO showed Q Q and lost (-$5.64 net)



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            not sure if trolling
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            02-10-2013 , 09:49 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by Chip Trafficker
            will do.

            think im going to make the effort to not check results as well, completely distracts me from the focus of just trying to play at my best.

            can anyone here recommend note caddy?

            i find it somewhat tough to play 4 tables of zoom and take notes, and it takes a while at the end of sessions to go back through hands and take notes.
            It collets a ton of data and notes. Tough you want to make sure it only shows the relevant ones. I cant use it very well ingame. My own notes are far superior.

            You need to set it right. Best feature for me is that you can incorporate relevants note caddys in the hud pop ups.
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            02-10-2013 , 09:54 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by chiego
            absurd volume damnit

            Quote:
            Originally Posted by Chip Trafficker
            More like



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            Since i plan on taking a extended break from 2p2 and poker, i will leave you guys with a few graphs.

            This month i decided to move down to work on my game, i decided to play 30/25/10 lol

            Spoiler:


            My year at 100nl is disapointing as i really wanted the 5BB winrate over 100k hands but i could never get over the hump (had it at 99k hands lol). I am still happy as i came back after a long hiatus, so i was rusty a bit rusty at the beginning. (added the ev graph for the ppl who think i only run good haha)

            Spoiler:
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