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02-10-2013 , 02:33 AM

#10776

Mr Blonde

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Originally Posted by 50nlRushandBeyond

Meh when i come back in 4 days ill prob begin af 100nl, tbh the jump from 100 to 200 is so big, i know i can beat 100nl (i have a 100k sample at this limit) but 200 is a diff animal and i have no idea if i am +ev.

i enjoyed battling. wish you luck anyway

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02-10-2013 , 02:47 AM

#10777

Chip Trafficker

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Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 94

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiego

then you are running into the top of their ranges constantly

perhaps, i just assumed i was getting outplayed

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02-10-2013 , 04:17 AM

#10778

Chip Trafficker

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in general at zoom, how tight is too tight?

in theory, having no reads/info/hands on anybody would suggest its going to be hard to do anything that isnt for value.

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02-10-2013 , 04:59 AM

#10779

Mr Blonde

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don't be unbalanced kids. give myself a slap on the wrists for this

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15992901

BTN: $144.22 (144.2 bb)
SB: $122.38 (122.4 bb)
BB: $98.16 (98.2 bb)
UTG: $170.05 (170.1 bb)
Hero (MP): $100 (100 bb)
CO: $104.21 (104.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9

UTG raises to $3, Hero raises to $8, 4 folds, UTG calls $5

Flop: ($17.50) T

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $10, UTG calls $10

Turn: ($37.50) 6

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $22, UTG calls $22

River: ($81.50) K

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $60 and is all-in, UTG calls $60

Results: $201.50 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: T

UTG showed 8

and won $198.70 ($98.70 net)
Hero showed 9

and lost (-$100 net)

Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.

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02-10-2013 , 05:26 AM

#10780

Micro Zoom Addict

adept

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 777

People don't like to fold there pairs on ttt etc. Well at least thats what I've found.

There line of thinking imo. TTT, sweet he can never have a T. As hero fires each barrel villain says ' He is saying he has a T, i don't believe him and which means i have the best hand'. I call.......

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02-10-2013 , 05:27 AM

#10781

Chip Trafficker

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its basically the perfect flop to barrel off on as the pfr

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02-10-2013 , 05:42 AM

#10782

Micro Zoom Addict

adept

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 777

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chip Trafficker

in general at zoom, how tight is too tight?

in theory, having no reads/info/hands on anybody would suggest its going to be hard to do anything that isnt for value.

2c
My thoughts is you should open each hand until its no longer +ev. I try to think of things in Ev instead of value. When we are on the button with 87s i don't think we are doing it for value but i do think its +ev. Better hands will call/raise/fold, worse hands will call/raise/fold. We have the opportunity to make money preflop when people fold, post flop when people fold and @ showdown when we have the best hand. Also we are in position which allows us to make better decisions postflop.

With no reads etc I will probably be tighter from ep, mp. Might 3bet a narrower range. Probably still try to steal wide still though.

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02-10-2013 , 06:04 AM

#10783

Dunna100

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Thoughts on this one please.

These kind of spots always make me scratch my head, as I'm not sure which is the best way to play them

Literally my first hand v's villain, only read is he's showing silverstar

I think I can bet flop for value v's all overcard type hands and FDs, as well as lower pairs that may peel flop. I'd expect a raise from 2P and sets most of the time.

Turn card is kind the worst as less underpairs are folding and FD got there, as did possible SD. He may even float again with Acx

Did I do it right, or should this be a bet/fold? Obv I have less suited combos UTG but don't know if villain thinks like this or not

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15993391

BTN: $1.69 (16.9 bb)
SB: $11.16 (111.6 bb)
BB: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
Hero (UTG): $17.55 (175.5 bb)
MP: $10.54 (105.4 bb)
CO: $3.50 (35 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7

Hero raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, 3 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) 3

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.60, MP calls $0.60, BB folds

Turn: ($2.15) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1.22, Hero folds

Spoiler:

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02-10-2013 , 06:08 AM

#10784

Mr Blonde

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Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 3,751

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micro Zoom Addict

even though i have a couple of combos, i'm not worried about repping Tx ha. mostly AA/KK

river is bad in that sense, but good in the sense i thought he would bluffcatch less often on a king. consider me rightfully owned

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02-10-2013 , 06:09 AM

#10785

Mr Blonde

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunna100

Hero raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, 3 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) 3

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.60, MP calls $0.60, BB folds

Turn: ($2.15) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1.22, Hero folds

Spoiler:

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fine, as is barrelling

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02-10-2013 , 06:19 AM

#10786

Chip Trafficker

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yeah i guess, i tried nitting it up but that didnt really help.

poker is so difficult when nothing works, your bluffs get called, you can never value bet etc

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02-10-2013 , 06:31 AM

#10787

Dunna100

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@Chip, as you play more hands you get more stats/reads on people, which makes it easier to assign ranges etc.
Spend time reviewing your sessions, see what lines diff villains take and what people are getting to showdown with.

If you put in the work, you'll understand betting patterns quite quickly as most are playing a version of ABC poker.

Everyone has sessions where they get no cards, or hit no flops, or get outdrawn. It just happens. Just learn to lose least in those kind of session and be pleased when you get away from hands on the river for example, and remember it's a long-term game. Short term results mean nothing

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02-10-2013 , 07:02 AM

#10788

Chip Trafficker

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will do.

think im going to make the effort to not check results as well, completely distracts me from the focus of just trying to play at my best.

can anyone here recommend note caddy?

i find it somewhat tough to play 4 tables of zoom and take notes, and it takes a while at the end of sessions to go back through hands and take notes.

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02-10-2013 , 07:19 AM

#10789

Micro Zoom Addict

adept

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 777

NC is alright though im sure im not taking advantage of it
Imo Drop a table and spend more time making your decisions, writing notes.

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02-10-2013 , 07:22 AM

#10790

Dunna100

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^yeah this. Play as many tables as u can cope with.

I take notes as i play, and after, but i only play 2 tables so i can do this comfortably. If i just wanna grind and review later, then 4 it is

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02-10-2013 , 07:24 AM

#10791

Dunna100

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Oh, and i bought notecaddy but def don't use it very well. Completely my fault as it does pretty much everything u can hope for, i just prefer writing my own session notes and don't use their stats enough in game

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02-10-2013 , 08:19 AM

#10792

Chip Trafficker

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for zoom, does nc take notes on the hands u fold or dont see?

it seems essential for zoom

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02-10-2013 , 08:20 AM

#10793

birdayy

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Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1,371

Thoughts on this hand would be appreciated. Snap call when he reships on flop?

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15993511

BTN: $2.41 (48.2 bb)
SB: $6.83 (136.6 bb)
BB: $6.08 (121.6 bb)
UTG: $5.51 (110.2 bb)
Hero (MP): $5.64 (112.8 bb)
CO: $6.13 (122.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7

UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.12, CO raises to $0.20, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.47) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.72, CO raises to $5.93, Hero calls $4.72 and is all-in

Turn: ($11.35) 2

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($11.35) 7

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Spoiler:

Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.

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02-10-2013 , 08:30 AM

#10794

Chip Trafficker

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i think you played it fine, dont think u can ever fold flop.

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02-10-2013 , 08:30 AM

#10795

Dunna100

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chip Trafficker

for zoom, does nc take notes on the hands u fold or dont see?

it seems essential for zoom

Do some research on it from their website, but essentially yes, it picks up on traits, as well as betsizing and reads from showdown

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02-10-2013 , 08:33 AM

#10796

Dunna100

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@Birdayy I'd normally say fold pre, but his sizing is ridiculous and so if you're going to open this hand from MP then calling the 3bet pre is fine. Yeah flop is an obvious insta-snap-ship imo as it's pretty tough to flop a flush and you're beating everything else, plus villain's would rarely play the nuts so aggro otf

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02-10-2013 , 08:54 AM

#10797

dillchips

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,167

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunna100

Should've just bought PT4, since their version of notecaddy comes with PT itself. Not too sure whether there's a major diff though

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02-10-2013 , 08:58 AM

#10798

MrSpew

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,622

Quote:

Originally Posted by birdayy

Thoughts on this hand would be appreciated. Snap call when he reships on flop?

UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.12, CO raises to $0.20, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.47) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.72, CO raises to $5.93, Hero calls $4.72 and is all-in

Turn: ($11.35) 2

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($11.35) 7

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Spoiler:

Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.

not sure if trolling

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02-10-2013 , 09:49 AM

#10799

icantfoldatc

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 409

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chip Trafficker

It collets a ton of data and notes. Tough you want to make sure it only shows the relevant ones. I cant use it very well ingame. My own notes are far superior.

You need to set it right. Best feature for me is that you can incorporate relevants note caddys in the hud pop ups.

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02-10-2013 , 09:54 AM

#10800

50nlRushandBeyond

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 349

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiego

absurd volume damnit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chip Trafficker

he's rocking to this imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Meb3YoHLjY4

More like

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Since i plan on taking a extended break from 2p2 and poker, i will leave you guys with a few graphs.

This month i decided to move down to work on my game, i decided to play 30/25/10 lol

Spoiler:

My year at 100nl is disapointing as i really wanted the 5BB winrate over 100k hands but i could never get over the hump (had it at 99k hands lol). I am still happy as i came back after a long hiatus, so i was rusty a bit rusty at the beginning. (added the ev graph for the ppl who think i only run good haha)

Spoiler:

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