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10-25-2012 , 12:14 PM
I think you think to much about what villain thinks about you.

Giving them to much credit
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10-25-2012 , 01:04 PM
raise or call turn?

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    BTN: $86.51 (173 bb)
    SB: $50 (100 bb)
    BB: $50 (100 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $70.81 (141.6 bb)
    MP: $49.37 (98.7 bb)
    CO: $60.52 (121 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with T T
    Hero raises to $1.50, 3 folds, SB raises to $5, BB folds, Hero calls $3.50

    Flop: ($10.50) 3 T J (2 players)
    SB bets $6, Hero calls $6

    Turn: ($22.50) 8 (2 players)
    SB bets $12, Hero?




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    v is a reg 26/22/8.7 74% CB and 46% DB. I don't think there is a whole lot a value from raising this riv since it folds out most hands besides sets but there is also a lot of bad cards OTR. Calling also keep shis possible bluffs in.Thoughts?
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    10-25-2012 , 01:09 PM
    if you think he wont fold an overpair now but may on bad river, raise.

    I prefer call overall.
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    10-25-2012 , 01:10 PM
    Dont think there are that many bluffs in his range given that its SB 3bet vs an UTG open. Going to be 80% value hands I think here and prob just AQ/AK that he is considering firing 3 streets maybe and who knows if he does that? Get it in on turn IMO.
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    10-25-2012 , 01:32 PM
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    Originally Posted by tiltph00n
    Dont really have a 5bet stat in my hud :P. But I think he thinks my range is pretty weak because I flat the first raise. I think I played it well, too bad he has QQ but i think he could pretty often show 77-TT Ax+.
    I knew you didnt have a 5bet stat in your HUD

    What I was saying though is that his 5bet shove range is probably an awful lot tighter than his 3bet squeeze range and so you should probably fold. Oh, and do people at 25nl really 5bet shove 77-TT and AX? I just cant see it, in my experience its overwhelmingly QQ+ and rarely AK these days. Thats just how I see it though. I dont know if you played it well or not.

    Gamma: I think a lot of draws and two pair will call a raise on the turn so Im definitely putting in more money there, not sure on sizing though.

    Last edited by chad0x001; 10-25-2012 at 01:37 PM.
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    10-25-2012 , 01:38 PM
    Raising turn seems really pointless imo.
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    10-25-2012 , 01:50 PM
    Q6s, you don think people will call with worse OTT?
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    10-25-2012 , 02:04 PM
    I don't think people will call with anything on the turn that they wont either x/c or shove themselves 95% of rivers.
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    10-25-2012 , 04:18 PM
    Will probably shove things OTR they they would have folded OTT if we raise aswel.
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    10-25-2012 , 05:10 PM
    never raising that unless villain has like 16% agg freq on river
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    10-25-2012 , 05:48 PM
    theres so many regs that do this in zoom, i really just dont get it


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      BTN: $52.10 (104.2 bb)
      SB: $24.50 (49 bb)
      BB: $50 (100 bb)
      UTG: $83.01 (166 bb)
      MP: $45.81 (91.6 bb)
      Hero (CO): $51.05 (102.1 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with K A
      2 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, 2 folds, BB raises to $4, Hero raises to $8, BB calls $4

      Flop: ($16.25) 4 8 3 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      Turn: ($16.25) T (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($16.25) T (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      Results: $16.25 pot ($0.73 rake)
      Final Board: 4 8 3 T T
      BB showed J J and won $15.52 ($7.52 net)
      Hero mucked K A and lost (-$8 net)



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      10-25-2012 , 06:10 PM
      ye the flatting 4bets business is annoying cz i don't really know how to play vs it
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      10-25-2012 , 06:32 PM
      why 4bet IP? Flatting keeps in all the worse hands and bluffs

      Why so small? he's getting more than 2:1 on a call

      Really hate that play with AKo

      Hate the flop check too


      Can we get your Thought Process in the hand? Esp the part where you decide to 4bet, why the size, and why you check the flop
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      10-25-2012 , 06:46 PM
      ^^ agreed with 4betting so small, at least $9 IMO, but checking the flop is fine. your not folding out better and when called your drawing to 6 outs. If you going to CB that flop you have to fire 3, which is not something I would plan on doing vs someone who is flatting 4bet OOP
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      10-25-2012 , 06:47 PM
      Looks fine to me, I might cbet the flop with backdoors but probably just folds out all worse. Pretty hard to get to showdown and win tho so meh.

      Also 8 is fine IP, if you induce them to flat with a range you beat oop then thats cool, if they shove with their bluffs thats cool, and if they fold thats cool too.
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      10-25-2012 , 06:52 PM
      i mix it up between calling and 4betting both are fine, but this villian was a kinda bad reg and there was not much but we had a little history

      i always make my 4b small in position(will make it a bit bigger sometimes), gives me a better price on my bluffs and puts them in a gayish spot where there getting a great price but if they want to call have to play oop in a large pot

      flop chk is pretty standard imo, i dont fold out any better hands by betting(keep in mind i dont see him having AA to QQ here, i think his range is made up of hands like AQ,KQ, QTs and some hands like 89s some of the time) + any heart of the turn gives me equity vs better hands, also hitting an A or K is really awesome

      Last edited by JesusEatsCheese; 10-25-2012 at 06:58 PM.
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      10-25-2012 , 07:23 PM
      everything about preflop is just about perfect
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      10-25-2012 , 08:48 PM
      u kno i kinda missed these good calls at 25

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        BTN: $16.10 (64.4 bb)
        SB: $10.25 (41 bb)
        BB: $12.50 (50 bb)
        Hero (UTG): $25 (100 bb)
        MP: $41.14 (164.6 bb)
        CO: $36.11 (144.4 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is UTG with A Q
        Hero raises to $0.75, 4 folds, BB calls $0.50

        Flop: ($1.60) 7 J 4 (2 players)
        BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB calls $1

        Turn: ($3.60) Q (2 players)
        BB checks, Hero bets $2.50, BB calls $2.50

        River: ($8.60) 6 (2 players)
        BB bets $4.75, Hero raises to $9.50, BB folds

        Results: $18.10 pot ($0.81 rake)
        Final Board: 7 J 4 Q 6
        BB mucked and lost (-$9 net)
        Hero mucked A Q and won $17.29 ($8.29 net)



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        10-25-2012 , 08:59 PM
        That's a really weird way to play a bluff

        he should just shove if he wants to bluff

        and for value as well

        betting 1/2 stack on the river folding to a raise after commiting 3/4 stack is terrible

        He should raise the flop instead if he wanted to bluff

        Turn would be good chance to make a freeze play too

        but why the river :|
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        10-26-2012 , 01:56 AM
        Im done with zoom for the moment,

        Can somebody please explain why this is happening to me (obviously my sample size is somewhat small, but this winrate difference is quite significant..

        Regular tables 25NL6max: (player amount set to 6 to filter hu and 3/4/5 handed, make it comparable to ZOOM tables)



        Zoom tables 25NL6max:

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        10-26-2012 , 03:21 AM
        Wow. Why ever move from normal tables? That graph looks lovely!

        Zoom is a different beast and requires different skills imo. More stealing, more light 3betting, more belief in their stats as there's no dynamic etc. U can play pretty straightforward at Zoom too, as you aren't sat with the same players the whole time. Just takes adjustment from normal tables imo
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        10-26-2012 , 03:24 AM
        Bvld, I've played against you a few times and you were playing generally quite nitty. At first your ft3bet% was quite high and I managed to get away with a fair bit of light 3bets vs you and iirc your FTcbet was like 90% which is just beyond ridiculous. This could be a sample size issue but just as a quick glimpse you seemed to be playing very straight forward which just meant that other regs could easily exploit you.
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        10-26-2012 , 05:26 AM
        also lol sample size.
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        10-26-2012 , 06:15 AM
        That nl25 reg tables graph definitely has some rungood (positive variance) in it, and you are probably table selecting some at least, hence playing in «softer» games which will give you a higher winrate. Samplesize is way too small to draw any good conclusions.

        But it all comes down to hourly rate really, and I personally think zoom games are the way to go in today's games. But it will result in a lower winrate for most people, and higher variance.

        Redline in your zoom graph looks like you are playing too many tables for you to handle, are you 4-tabling? And how many tables are you used to playing on reg tables?
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        10-26-2012 , 06:45 AM
        Hello
        I would like to hear some advice on this:

        Is shoting nl25 with 2BI okay or am I just burning my money?

        Im probably low skilled, because I get pushed around at NL25 so easily, while at NL10 im playing 22/19/6 - in my last NL25 session I ended up being 12/9 O.o

        It may be that im scared by money - my financial situation is not very good right now


        But, could you please throw around some advice on what should I be doing differently from NL10 and how to adjust?

        Edit: It really may be due to the money - I need to withdraw 1k in half of november - atm I just have 600 in cashier and 400 worth in RB and I already "burned" 300 usd on shots over 20k hands
        Would you advice to just stick to NL10 ?
        Thanks

        Last edited by Zoomnl; 10-26-2012 at 06:54 AM. Reason: Edit: one more question
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