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PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $1.80
SB: $1.86
BB: $1.02
UTG: $0.95
Hero (MP): $4.35
CO: $1.00

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has Q

fold, Hero raises to $0.06, fold, BTN calls $0.06, SB calls $0.05, fold

Flop: ($0.20, 3 players) 7

SB checks, Hero bets $0.12, BTN raises to $1.74 and is all-in, fold, Hero calls $1.62

Turn: ($3.68, 2 players) 8

River: ($3.68, 2 players) 8

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My thinking was this line doesn't make since for you would normally slowplay, call down here so I put in on over pairs,flush draws 7x. Was my thinking was wrong or is this always a fold until you get reads ?

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10-06-2012 , 05:30 PM

#5652

Micro Zoom Addict

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Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 777

Moved up to 10nl and became a spaz monkey. Why why why. My personality vs aggression is to fight back with more aggression. At 5nl there is not much aggression and not much 3betting going on. Starting out at 10 Ive been pounded by 3bets. This gets me boiling and what results is hands like below.

Taking a break till i formulate a strong mental mindset and play solid poker.

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $6.53 (65.3 bb)
Hero (SB): $12.96 (129.6 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG: $5.28 (52.8 bb)
MP: $10.64 (106.4 bb)
CO: $11.71 (117.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, CO folds, BTN calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.25, BB folds

Flop: ($1) 2

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.50, BTN folds, Hero raises to $1.30, MP calls $0.80

Turn: ($3.60) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.40, MP calls $2.40

River: ($8.40) 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $8.96 and is all-in, MP calls $6.64 and is all-in

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10-06-2012 , 05:57 PM

#5653

khangura175

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bocavi

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $3.46
SB: $2.00
BB: $1.99
UTG: $2.36
MP: $2.17
CO: $4.55

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has K

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.05, fold, BB calls $0.03

Flop: ($0.11, 2 players) 6

BB checks, Hero bets $0.07, BB calls $0.07

Turn: ($0.25, 2 players) Q

BB checks, Hero bets $0.16, BB calls $0.16

River: ($0.57, 2 players) 8

BB checks, Hero checks

Spoiler:

villain unknown
i guess i should bet river fold to raise ?

River check is fine.. Too many draws hit by riv and u have a weak K

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Originally Posted by Bocavi

fold, Hero raises to $0.06, fold, BTN calls $0.06, SB calls $0.05, fold

Flop: ($0.20, 3 players) 7

SB checks, Hero bets $0.12, BTN raises to $1.74 and is all-in, fold, Hero calls $1.62

Turn: ($3.68, 2 players) 8

River: ($3.68, 2 players) 8

Spoiler:

I'd snap call at nl2

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Originally Posted by Micro Zoom Addict

UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, CO folds, BTN calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.25, BB folds

Flop: ($1) 2

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.50, BTN folds, Hero raises to $1.30, MP calls $0.80

Turn: ($3.60) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.40, MP calls $2.40

River: ($8.40) 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $8.96 and is all-in, MP calls $6.64 and is all-in

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10-06-2012 , 07:40 PM

#5654

gamma001

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Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 4,144

Quote:

Originally Posted by raikkonen3

Gamma, how's NL25 going for you? Running into you quite a bit, went for a sneaky 3bet vs your UTG

Its going pretty well. Took me a while to adjust to 6max but getting the hang of it. Running at 6bb/100 over 30k hands this month so should be back up to 50NL in the next few weeks, hopefully

. How about yourself? You still taking shots at 50? haha il have to watch out for your light 3bets in future

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10-06-2012 , 11:07 PM

#5655

LosingShark

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is it just me or does every weak reg/fish min 4bet/5bet with aa, i think im going to consider my options on folding KK in these spots, unless fishies are under 100bb's its just so weighted to aa everytime they usually just spazz and jam QQ, thoughts?

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10-06-2012 , 11:30 PM

#5656

Bocavi

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Well I find that whenever I have KK and i get 3 bet/4 bet and the opponent is playing 4 tables it is always AA. I think i am gonna start using it as a sign that this is a cooler and try to avoid it.

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10-06-2012 , 11:31 PM

#5657

Bocavi

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Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 212

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $2.85
Hero (SB): $2.00
BB: $1.67
UTG: $2.02
MP: $2.98
CO: $2.00

Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has 8

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.05, BB calls $0.03

Flop: ($0.10, 2 players) K

Hero bets $0.06, BB calls $0.06

Turn: ($0.22, 2 players) T

Hero checks, BB checks

River: ($0.22, 2 players) 8

Hero bets $0.13, BB raises to $1.56 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.43

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Last edited by Bocavi; 10-06-2012 at 11:44 PM.

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10-06-2012 , 11:34 PM

#5658

Bocavi

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PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $3.10
SB: $4.14
BB: $0.55
UTG: $1.00
MP: $3.67
CO: $2.39

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has 7

UTG raises to $0.06, fold, CO calls $0.06, Hero calls $0.06, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.21, 3 players) T

UTG bets $0.15, CO calls $0.15, Hero raises to $0.60, fold, fold

Spoiler:

Is my sizing too big ?

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10-06-2012 , 11:40 PM

#5659

Bocavi

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Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 212

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $1.82
SB: $0.69
BB: $4.08
UTG: $3.86
Hero (MP): $7.61
CO: $2.24

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has J

fold, Hero raises to $0.06, CO calls $0.06, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.15, 2 players) 9

Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.15, 2 players) 3

Hero bets $0.08, CO calls $0.08

River: ($0.31, 2 players) 7

Hero bets $0.22, CO calls $0.22

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10-06-2012 , 11:52 PM

#5660

Frostyice

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,998

He would bet any Tx or FD and most bluffs on the flop

if he's calling the turn he will never have any Tx or set

He will never have a FH on the river so I like the bet

Don't shove the river though he will never call

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10-07-2012 , 12:38 AM

#5661

LosingShark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bocavi

Well I find that whenever I have KK and i get 3 bet/4 bet and the opponent is playing 4 tables it is always AA. I think i am gonna start using it as a sign that this is a cooler and try to avoid it.

hmmm not exactly, i wasnt talking about the multi-tabling nits.. more the minbet from fish. i 4 table and i def dont always have AA..

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10-07-2012 , 04:09 AM

#5662

Dunna100

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Originally Posted by LosingShark

hmmm not exactly, i wasnt talking about the multi-tabling nits.. more the minbet from fish. i 4 table and i def dont always have AA..

Difficult to categorise with fish really. They range from the type that open jam their entire stack with AA to the minbet/minbet type.

I think the only thing u can be sure of is that particular fish will always play it the same way, so one good note is all u need

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10-07-2012 , 06:44 AM

#5663

HU4hoes

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Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,026

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyg2001

Why not use notecaddy?

You don't yield the same understanding of your opponents game if you use note caddy. There are no short cuts when it comes to improving in poker.

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10-07-2012 , 08:26 AM

#5664

IndigoMD91

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Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 792

NL5, zoom, 6max. folded to CO who opens to 0.15, Im on BTN with AKof 3bet to 0.45 he calls. flop QcJc10d. he checks. what to do to exract maximum?

no stats on villain

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10-07-2012 , 08:39 AM

#5665

A.Ertbjerg

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you bet. No sure why any thing else would be an option.

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10-07-2012 , 09:21 AM

#5666

chad0x001

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Originally Posted by IndigoMD91

NL5, zoom, 6max. folded to CO who opens to 0.15, Im on BTN with AKof 3bet to 0.45 he calls. flop QcJc10d. he checks. what to do to exract maximum?

no stats on villain

start off by making a healthy bet.

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10-07-2012 , 09:28 AM

#5667

Frostyice

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,998

I usually take the timebank and start calculating how much I need to bet on the flop so I can shove turn with < PSB in the 3bet pot

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10-07-2012 , 09:29 AM

#5668

gamma001

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IndigoMD91

NL5, zoom, 6max. folded to CO who opens to 0.15, Im on BTN with AKof 3bet to 0.45 he calls. flop QcJc10d. he checks. what to do to exract maximum?

no stats on villain

Best flop in the world for you. It smashes his range. Bet large(70-90% Pot) and get stacks in asap

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10-07-2012 , 09:59 AM

#5669

raikkonen3

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,805

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamma001

Its going pretty well. Took me a while to adjust to 6max but getting the hang of it. Running at 6bb/100 over 30k hands this month so should be back up to 50NL in the next few weeks, hopefully

. How about yourself? You still taking shots at 50? haha il have to watch out for your light 3bets in future

Ah good luck with the shots at 50! Nah my roll is on the thin side (still waiting on a withdrawal coming through from 888 and then I have to take most of that for uni funds as I'm so broke) so at 25 for at least a month or so. Hoping I can have a good month at 25 and start taking shots again but not going to rush up as I can make a solid hourly at 25.

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10-07-2012 , 10:34 AM

#5670

chad0x001

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first hand with this guy.

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14088722

Hero (BTN): $14.79 (147.9 bb)
SB: $8.62 (86.2 bb)
BB: $16 (160 bb)
UTG: $8.93 (89.3 bb)
MP: $15.30 (153 bb)
CO: $11.19 (111.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A

UTG raises to $0.20, MP calls $0.20, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.80, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.60, MP calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.55) 2

(3 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $1.20, UTG calls $1.20, MP folds

Turn: ($4.95) A

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2.40, UTG raises to $6.93 and is all-in

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can I call given the odds that I am getting or is it always a fold because he has a set/2 pair?

edit: Are you ****ing kidding me/fold instead of are you ****ing kidding me/call = $

Last edited by chad0x001; 10-07-2012 at 10:44 AM.

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10-07-2012 , 10:41 AM

#5671

AndyM2033

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Cant decided if I like betting that flop. We have AK, drawing to a A or K and odds are they could have KQ AQ so we could get in trouble, as it looks like we do on the turn. It is such a dry flop and they do check to us, yeah I probably bet it but im not too happy about it.

I probably put them on Qx or 66-JJ when UTG calls, even QQ is possible in Zoom and of course 22/55. For this reason I might check back turn and value bet small river if he calls/bluff catch if he bets. It seems like on the turn if we bet they are going to fold most of what we beat and continue with what beats us, which is why its such a good bluff spot if you had nothing.

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10-07-2012 , 11:04 AM

#5672

Burnss

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Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 4,539

snaap call. you got TPTK in 3b pot for less then 100bb deep. were never ever ever ever ever ever ever folding

^^ dnt chk turn. chkin turn to overshove river makes it reaaaal awkward.

Last edited by Burnss; 10-07-2012 at 11:10 AM. Reason: Might bet like 1.9$ on turn so they spaz with pp's but 2.4$ is perfectly fine

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10-07-2012 , 11:22 AM

#5673

chad0x001

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Ok cool. I dont feel so bad calling (and him having 55) now. Just been a bit of a :s day and my mental situation has suffered (all in pre vs dross = suckout a few times) so I wasnt super confident on the all.

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10-07-2012 , 11:53 AM

#5674

gamma001

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Quote:

Originally Posted by raikkonen3

Cheers

ah I know the feeling. Have all my points locked up because i'm waiting to get supernova before converting them so I have a big roll in my account but cant get at it