Villain "No need to get fancy, I missed, I'll fold. If I hang around he will just get more money off me"

Gaaaaaheyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

much appreicated HU4hoes and others who reply daily =]

i thought a high WWSF means he has a strong showdown range... so your more inclined to fold weak hands before showdown if this number is low? I thought it was the other way around

still getting my head wrapped around with WWSF/WTSD/W$SD

Just think of what they mean. WWSF is how much they win the pot postflop, so if this is high then they are winning a lot of pots postflop through aggression meaning they aren't just c/f everytime they miss. However, don't adjust badly and then get valuetowned by these people - just because they have a high WWSF doesn't mean they are bluffing everytime.

I have a very low WTSD but a high WWSF, I'm a bit of a stats noob too but I'm guessing this is expected as I am getting opponents to fold more postflop, hence high WWSF, and therefore I get to showdown less.

How low is ur WTSD and how high is ur WWSF?

+1

WTSD is 22% and WWSF is 50%.

^ thanks raikkoen for the response! yeah on average i see WTSD is 29% for most players

not so easy game now is it ?

Interesting..

I think mine is WTSD mid-high 20s and W$WSF = around 40-low 40s

Won at showdown is like high 60s-70..is this too high?


Edit: also as a sidenote motivation for ppl who r still at lower micro limits, i jus wanna say, ive seen raikkonen "grow up" in zoom micros since he was at nl10.. he was constantly whining like a lil bitch at nl10 all the time.. now look at him hes at NL25/50 and doin all good, and never whining.. Hes changed his mindset.. thats all it takes.. He looks at the game differently now.. OUTSIDE the box..
There arent that many ppl in this thread who have done this to be honest

Also, I am still pissed off to this day that he didnt pay me off fullhouse vs fullhouse

high 60s for won at showdown is waaaaaaay too high

you must be folding in spots where you have the odds to call

either that or you're an absolute jedi

sounds like you're not aggresive enough and giving up with the second best hand alot? But if your greenline is going through the roof I guess it doesn't matter what the redline does

OH ****, almost didnt kno who this was til i saw name.. no more jizz in my pants avatar lol

uhh anyway, folding in spots where i have odds to call? i dont think ive done this especially with like TP+ .. and i call all the time even with a pocket pair on river with 2 overs on board when he bets small on river i jus call for lols.. usually i lose tho :/ maybe i should stop that

my red line is goin down slowly, blue line is through the roof though

cool story bro! and no really no sarcasm intended! hope to see you guys at the top one day

Hahahah thanks man, those days were the worst. Mental game is still a little sucky but it has improved drastically since NL10, NL10 and 25 are so easy to beat with just a solid mindset and a pretty basic game. Lol, don't know how I didn't pay you off tbh - anyone else and the money was going in. My bad.

Just withdrew my whole roll from stars, either going to get staked or put it in on a euro website. Sick of zoom, NL50 just destroys my soul there - variance is pretty bad and regs tilt the hell out of me. Games are pretty tough and tbh I would rather just have a very good winrate, goodbye zoom! I would say its been fun but it really hasn't lol.

Im actually thinking of doing the same probably next month..

Might jus withdraw a decent amount and then put it into a diff site with the deposit bonus + rakeback...
its like over 50% rakeback with the bonus included.. theres basically no way I can not crush with that kind of RB plus its even softer than pokerstars cuz the amount of regs on stars is ridiculous

jizz in my pants guy was pissing me off

I'm intrigued as to how you could have such a high WSD as a winning player. Thinking about it more there could be a few reasons:

You're folding the best hand a decent % of the time (although it doesn't sound like you think this is the case)

You're really good at making people fold better hands

You're a beast of a hand reader and manage to fold when you're behind very efficiently (and call when you're ahead very efficiently)

Your're playing a much tighter range than your opponents pre so you've naturally got a better hand than them most of the time.

you're not value betting thinly enough

Most likely a mix of some of the above, i'm not saying you're doing anything wrong it's just very out of the ordinary

Well I will say what I do and dont out of ur list:

folding the best hand a decent amount : Yes. I may actually be doing this.. its usually a TPGK vs raise and SOMETIMES even two pair vs a passive person.. But Ive seen passive ppl RANDOMLY do stupid **** though so i believe i definitely did fold the best hand sometimes.

making ppl fold better hands: nope.. hasn't happened much.. ive tried to trip barel bluff a few times for lols randomly when straight AND flush both hit on river, REG villain didnt give a **** he calls with top pair... So now i jus trip barel light as hell with even scary boards with like AA as long as the flop was a high card + 2 lows..i dont even care about the turn n river i jus bet/fold everytime

hand reading: yeah, i think im pretty good at hand reading actually.. i sometimes test myself and say out loud what he called my riv bet with and then after check the HH.. im right like over 50% of the time.. its so obv to me i dunno

tighter range pre: 100% right. i do play tighter than the average tag. wont go too much into the stats yet

vbet thin: i do vbet thin, usually i bet super small when i do like a bitch.. apparently no1 raises me without a hand tho and they always call with worse so its ezmode


Nice observations regardless lol

wow really? is stars that bad? i mean yeah ok i see a lot of regs but wow i didn't expect you guys to leave on the best poker site in the world! i mean the only reason why i joined stars is because i know my money is safe there and cashouts is never a problem..

i mean you hear bs about euro sites all the times with their bots and crap, although the 50% rakeback is hard to resist i will admit... but hey full tilt is coming back soon and 27% was always nice =]

guess i'll have to think for the future once my stars bonus expires... but definiately not encouraging considering you guys have trouble with 25/50 NL

You know it's funny, but was considering doing the same. Not for the wrong reasons of "Zomg ZOOM is like soooo hard" but really just as when I go back and play at 888 where I'm still rolled for 20nl, it's just so so easy compared with Stars.

Yes I wanna be able to beat the tough regs and move up levels, but considering game selection is a vital part of making da moniez, then why tough it out at same or lower level when you don't have to? As a recreational player anyway.

I've turned $20 into about $500 not including the Big tourney bink so pretty happy with myself for that, but I feel I could actually spend more time elsewhere and do well, purely as they're softer, albeit software is poor in comparison.

Maybe when FT comes back along I'll give it a whirl if there's a deposit bonus and/or RB deals going

I dunno, go on hols to France in the morning for a couple weeks so no poker (other than TOP and Raiser's Edge I'm taking to re-read) so will have a think about it and see where I'm at when I get back

Happy grinding peoples

50% rakeback...... but the rake is twice as high!

I know what you mean tho guys, I played on 888 before zoom and 100NL was probably equivalent to 50NL zoom

maybe this explains the fact when i grind on zoom during midnight eastern time, i have no problem beating up on the europeans... but when north america is awake then BAM i get it in the bum hole...

you guys definiately gave me some things to think about... =]

I'm moving because I fancied a change, think I've been concentrating on volume rather than improving my game so this will help me improve my game drastically and how to exploit villain's weaknesses. I'll probably return in January as I will be going for SN next year, IMO I have 3 years to get to a level where I can make enough money to live off so time is on my side; plan is to become a poker pro out of university while travelling for a year.

Fire away!

Kinda confused by the 3bet pre, little bit thin is it not?

^^ See Kangura?

When someone is min raising to open Im going to presume they are weak and are likely to c/f post so Im going to try and get them to call a bit more pre. oh he's 42/31 over 26 as well. pretty fishy. Oh, could I claim that this was an attempt to isolate the fish?

grind on my mind. Day off tomorrow so maybe i can 3k hands of speed poker.


boredom

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (IPoker)
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, September 06, 09:43:37 ET 2012
Table Fuzok (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Seat 3: Hero ( $10.40 USD ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 21, 3B: 10, AF: 2.6, Hands: 41484
Seat 8: Player8 ( $20.00 USD ) - VPIP: 63, PFR: 63, 3B: 67, AF: Infinity, Hands: 8
Player8 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 5d 8d ]
Player8 raises [$0.25 USD]
Hero raises [$0.80 USD]
Player8 calls [$0.60 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5s, Kc, Jd ]
Hero checks
Player8 bets [$1.30 USD]
Hero calls [$1.30 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7s ]
Hero checks
Player8 bets [$2.90 USD]
Hero raises [$8.20 USD]

bet sizing tell i think?

The stat is from HU to 6max btw so it's not accurate. Also includes plo etc