When villain raises the flop you think I should just shove. Does not compute. Im way ahead or way behind. Either he has a set and he calls my shove or he doesnt and he folds - how can that be the most +ev line?

If we 3bet otf villain folds all his bluffs (if he ever bluffs) and continues only with a range that has us crushed (unless we know villain stacks off light - treats A6 as the nuts etc.).

Wow, you guys are WAY over estimating the thought level at micro stakes..Especially NL2!

If you keep taking that line at micros, you're going to end up missing out on a lot of the spew that goes on at micros.

Save your fancy play till you reach a level where it matters.

Thanks, will do.

Sorry I didn't mean to assume you play micros, was just pointing out that theres no way that level of thought applies at NL2...not from what I've seen.

Yes there is spew at the micros, but villain's also play very straightforward too..."I haz a set, I raze!"

Here is an example of why 3betting the flop is bad in this situation. Happened only a few days ago. Villain was 20/20 6AF after around 60 hands I think



Thought process (or lack of) "Innocuous enough looking flop, so why would villain be raising a set here? He has 6AF. Must be a bluff/overpair, if it's an overpair we can get it in here and I'm good......ah no, it was a set, damn. Bye bye moniez"

To say that 'thinking about what villain could have, and what hands he may do this with and act accordingly is FPS', is crazy talk!

I played this hand really badly and got burnt. Let my idiocy be a warning to you all!!

Overpair? Its hard for him to have a strong overpair with such a high AF when he simply called pre bro.. I expect him to get in QQ+ pre so were left with JJ, would he really raise? lol no thats jus ******ed
As played I would expect him to have TT/88/55 quite a decent amount of the time becuz ur not 100bb so he can be calling with any low-mid pair there to setmine and will play pretty straight forward on that flop as in hes barely ever bluffing..when u repop his raise and he shoves its about 93.8% chance he has a set


Anyway, wtf is with this hand??

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

Hero (BTN): $236.43
SB: $25.10
BB: $27.06
UTG: $35.44
MP: $11.47
CO: $19.22

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with 6 A
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold, MP calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.25) 5 5 4 (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $1.79, SB calls $1.79, MP folds

Turn: ($6.83) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.50, SB raises to $9

I HATE TURN MIN RAISES!


vs unknown

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

BTN: $15.62
SB: $25.00
Hero (BB): $72.42
UTG: $22.00
MP: $49.36
CO: $59.53

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with Q Q
UTG raises to $3.75, 3 folds, SB raises to $11.50

Should i?
UTG=FISHLET
SB=standard TAG





Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
BTN: $41.78
SB: $45.81
BB: $133.26
UTG: $37.87
MP: $34.56
Hero (CO): $45.56

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with K Q
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.62, 2 folds, BB calls $0.37

Flop: ($1.34) Q 5 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.74, BB raises to $2, Hero calls $1.26

Turn: ($5.34) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($5.34) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

VS standard tag player.. I was wondering, when he checks turn, should I bet on turn? I dont c many value hands that he can raise on flop and NOT bet on turn..
Should be pretty obv to everyone what he had in this hand so thats why im wondering..

agreed turn min raises are sick. In that situation with no reads I think i would find the fold button even though there is only 7 combos beating us. Just looks like 99 that binked on the turn.

If you have seen the fish doing 15x raise with AQ/AJ then i think you could make an argument for getting it in, Stoved Tag w JJ+,AK and fish w 99+,KQ,AT+ and you have 38% EQ. Marginal at best i think since you don't have anything invested, sigh then fold and move on IMO ha.


Usually the check on the turn means they are giving up so I dont think a bet on the turn is the most +EV. You haven't got a vulnerable hand so check back and underbet Riv (maybe $1.80 or $2?)and get a call from KJ

Why would KJ raise flop? standard tag would never raise KJ there imo

I feel like if i bet the river, I would only get called by worse and all the hands i beat hes gonna c/f

Worse Qs dont really raise on flop, n if they do they give up all the way to river looking to c.f

lol it was a joke him raising KJ, sarcasm doesnt travel well through the internet .
He could have raised a back door FD/SD and picked up a pair or turned a small PP into a bluff that MIGHT call a small bet on the riv. I really can't see you ever being beat on the riv so bet and hopefully get called. The only hand that could have you beat is AQ but I wouldn't imagine he would raise that on such a dry board of he had any sense at all so its pretty unlikely. What did he have in the end? complete air?

no bro, standard tags very rarely raise complete air on the flop

he had 89s

which made me think that y did i give him a free card to suck out on me on the river..

Cuz think about it, if hes raising a OESD on the flop and i check back turn giving him access to a free river, it makes his flop raise 100% profitable (cuz ill jus be folding flop a decent amount too) .. and when i call, he can jus play perfectly ( if he hits hell bet or else he wont)

I rarely bet on the turn in those spots on such a dry board, mainly because they are either going to c/f or c/r (often see people c/r flop then go for another ott - tilts the hell outta me) so just check it back and hope they pick up a hand that you get some equity out of. If he hits his miracle gs otr and overbets then we can easily get away as it's obviously for value.

By air I mean no pair on the river. Maybe air isn't the right word. Your only giving him a free card for that small part of his range. Checking back is higher ev vs his whole range as you can get thin value on the river. If the board was more draw Heavy then definaely bet and charge him.

lol no its not cuz air is garbage, while OESD or FD is not garbage at all

naaaah this is all wrong. If they raise you on the flop and you call, then they check the turn, a bet almost always takes it down. Im happy to bet the turn for this very reason. Im betting for value but they might fold, whatever, the pot is mine, Im happy with that.

Late night zoom grinding >

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $124.86
SB: $64.64
BB: $171.21
UTG: $48.02
MP: $65.60
Hero (CO): $217.10

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has A Q

UTG raises to $1.50, fold, Hero calls $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, fold, BB calls $1.00

Flop: ($6.25, 4 players) 5 7 5
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($6.25, 4 players) Q
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $4.00, fold, BB raises to $13.00, fold, Hero calls $9.00

River: ($32.25, 2 players) K
BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BB raises to $24.35, Hero calls $23.85

BB shows A 8 (One Pair, Fives) (Pre 30%, Flop 52%, Turn 18%)
Hero shows A Q (Two Pair, Queens and Fives) (Pre 70%, Flop 48%, Turn 82%)
Hero wins $78.45

lol@min bet to induce raise

no, your thought process is incorrect.

your basically saying that at 2nl, if u get raised and shove your not getting called by worse.

its 2nl, stop over thinking it.

no.

If you play four 6-max zoom tables at the limit of 0.10/0.25$.

How many regulars 6-max tables does that equal at the same limit?

4

Villain is complete unknown, only 3 hands on him.


What's the best play here and why?

I'm folding there without any reads.
Unless you know the guy is a maniac, 1 pair never good there in my opinion.

4zoom is like 10reg unless ur a nit then maybe it's 12reg

When you are check raised on the flop, you are normally facing an over pair, 2 pair or a set. I dont mind your call there as its only a minraise but Im folding the turn, we're just behind too often.