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11-11-2012 , 07:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frostyice
sry to burst your bubble but the graph is rakeback and not EV

also he's not even losing money he's breaking even but actually winning money thanks to rakeback so he's not in need of a desposit or not even losing he's makin money
sorry i must have read it wrong. but ftp dont do rb anymore?
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11-11-2012 , 07:39 PM
What was he thinking on the river? that his K high was good? I laugh in his FACE!

    Full Tilt, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14511521

    CO: $6.91 (138.2 bb)
    BTN: $2.14 (42.8 bb)
    SB: $1.02 (20.4 bb)
    BB: $5.45 (109 bb)
    UTG: $4.06 (81.2 bb)
    Hero (MP): $7.74 (154.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with T T
    UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, 3 folds

    Flop: ($0.37) J 4 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.20, CO calls $0.20

    Turn: ($0.77) 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.55, CO calls $0.55

    River: ($1.87) 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.20, CO calls $1.20

    Spoiler:
    Results: $4.27 pot ($0.28 rake)
    Final Board: J 4 4 2 4
    CO mucked 9 K and lost (-$2.10 net)
    Hero showed T T and won $3.99 ($1.89 net)



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    edit: more on the flop?
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    11-11-2012 , 07:47 PM
    i would've laughedmore if u had A high..thin vbets r the nuts

    flop size is fine, u could go more but it would only b a bit more anyway..
    u dont really want him to fold like 2overcards or low PP by betting too much
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    11-11-2012 , 08:07 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Schoolboy
    sorry i must have read it wrong. but ftp dont do rb anymore?
    ftp still has rakeback, it's called edge now and the rakeback amount depends on how much your average rake is
    I think 35$/day for 30 days diamond 25% rakeback diamond,
    15$/day for 30 days platinum 20% rakeback
    Gold 10$ 1 day or 7.5$ 30days average for 15%
    Silver 5$ 1 day or 3.5$ 30days average for 10%
    Bronze 1$ 1 day but no rakeback

    the bronze thing had me confused, what's the point if it's 0% rakeback

    I found out that starting with bronze you can play in the 25FPP daily tournament where you can win T$ or Ring Game tickets



    @khang if we're OOP and he won't fold his overcards, there are Q K A as overcards, or 4*3 = 12 outs so basically half of the time there will be an overcard by the river and we need to check/guess or guessbet so I'm fine with him folding his overcards most of the time

    usually this is a good spot to check fold to flopcbet, if it's >66% he'll often have a pair or a Jx already if he calls, if he has <50% he'll often have overcards and we can double barrel a lot low cards

    If he has >66% we can double barrel a lot of overcards as he most likely already has a pair that is not higher than Jx

    ofc when checking the fold to cbet stat to make an assumption about his range we need to check his VPIP from his position first

    Last edited by Frostyice; 11-11-2012 at 08:23 PM.
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    11-11-2012 , 08:16 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Frostyice
    ftp still has rakeback, it's called edge now and the rakeback amount depends on how much your average rake is
    I think 35$/day for 30 days diamond 25% rakeback diamond,
    15$/day for 30 days platinum 20% rakeback
    Gold 10$ 1 day or 7.5$ 30days average for 15%
    Silver 5$ 1 day or 3.5$ 30days average for 10%
    Bronze 1$ 1 day but no rakeback
    ty for the explanation, im almost on gold and even though that was my aim, i didnt really know what it meant! thanks frostyice
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    11-11-2012 , 08:27 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chad0x00

    edit: more on the flop?
    I think i might c/f teh river tbh. Looks like Jx most of the time.
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    11-11-2012 , 09:06 PM
    naaaah, he was 75/25 only 4 hands but still..
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    11-11-2012 , 10:20 PM
    y u no jam


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      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14511741

      UTG: $86.35 (86.4 bb)
      MP: $68.85 (68.9 bb)
      CO: $293.85 (293.9 bb)
      BTN: $109.10 (109.1 bb)
      Hero (SB): $150.75 (150.8 bb)
      BB: $101 (101 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with Q A
      4 folds, Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

      Flop: ($6) 4 8 5 (2 players)
      Hero bets $3.50, BB raises to $10.50, Hero calls $7

      Turn: ($27) 4 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $20.50, Hero calls $20.50

      River: ($68) 2 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB checks

      Results: $68 pot ($3 rake)
      Final Board: 4 8 5 4 2
      Hero showed Q A and won $65 ($31 net)
      BB showed J Q and lost (-$34 net)



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      Last edited by Burnss; 11-11-2012 at 10:20 PM. Reason: boring hand history without river jam and call
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      11-11-2012 , 10:32 PM
      whats this $200 bonus in my account that I have to clear by nov 27th :/
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      11-11-2012 , 10:44 PM
      sick hand to finish me off for the night. am I supposed to fold to his shove? I figured he probably had the straight but I would still have outs :/ Guy is 38/8 (only 17 hands) that should have told me everything I needed to know. ARSES!


        Full Tilt, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14511771

        UTG: $5.14 (102.8 bb)
        MP: $5.66 (113.2 bb)
        CO: $3.72 (74.4 bb)
        BTN: $2.69 (53.8 bb)
        Hero (SB): $10.59 (211.8 bb)
        BB: $11.56 (231.2 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with J J
        4 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BB calls $0.10

        Flop: ($0.30) Q 8 J (2 players)
        Hero bets $0.24, BB raises to $0.48, Hero raises to $1.23, BB raises to $11.41 and is all-in, Hero calls $9.21 and is all-in

        Turn: ($21.18) T (2 players, 2 are all-in)
        River: ($21.18) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

        Spoiler:
        Results: $21.18 pot ($1.41 rake)
        Final Board: Q 8 J T 6
        Hero showed J J and lost (-$10.59 net)
        BB showed T 9 and won $19.77 ($9.18 net)



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        Last edited by chad0x001; 11-11-2012 at 10:50 PM.
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        11-11-2012 , 10:45 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Burnss
        y u no jam


          Full Tilt, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14511741

          UTG: $86.35 (86.4 bb)
          MP: $68.85 (68.9 bb)
          CO: $293.85 (293.9 bb)
          BTN: $109.10 (109.1 bb)
          Hero (SB): $150.75 (150.8 bb)
          BB: $101 (101 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is SB with Q A
          4 folds, Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

          Flop: ($6) 4 8 5 (2 players)
          Hero bets $3.50, BB raises to $10.50, Hero calls $7

          Turn: ($27) 4 (2 players)
          Hero checks, BB bets $20.50, Hero calls $20.50

          River: ($68) 2 (2 players)
          Hero checks, BB checks

          Results: $68 pot ($3 rake)
          Final Board: 4 8 5 4 2
          Hero showed Q A and won $65 ($31 net)
          BB showed J Q and lost (-$34 net)



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          When I have a plan like this the other guy shows up with 33 or something.

          Last edited by AndyM2033; 11-11-2012 at 11:04 PM.
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          11-11-2012 , 10:59 PM
          Not playing Zoom anymore but we can pretend it is a hand from there cant we?

          This is from a supernova nit grinder from what I can tell. Not sure why people do this.. He didn't show his cards either till the end, hate when people do that.

            Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14511781

            Hero (CO): $25.35 (101.4 bb)
            BTN: $34.78 (139.1 bb)
            SB: $25.75 (103 bb)
            BB: $25 (100 bb)
            MP: $25 (100 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is CO with A A
            MP folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BTN folds, SB raises to $2, BB folds, Hero raises to $6, SB raises to $25.75 and is all-in, Hero calls $19.35 and is all-in

            Flop: ($50.95) J K 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
            Turn: ($50.95) 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
            River: ($50.95) J (2 players, 2 are all-in)

            Spoiler:
            Results: $50.95 pot ($2.00 rake)
            Final Board: J K 2 5 J
            Hero showed A A and won $48.95 ($23.60 net)
            SB showed 8 8 and won $0.00 (-$25.35 net)



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            11-11-2012 , 11:23 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by chad0x00
            whats this $200 bonus in my account that I have to clear by nov 27th :/
            lol deal me in bonus?

            N the hell havent i even got mine yet.. its almost been a week that its been out lol
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            11-12-2012 , 12:57 AM
            Sorry I don't contribute anything but just ask dumb questions, buuuut, roughly how many hands will I get playing 4 tables of 6max zoom vs. 4 tables of regular 6max per hour? Thanks again people!
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            11-12-2012 , 01:08 AM
            700-900 zoom

            300ish at normal, i think

            Last edited by Burnss; 11-12-2012 at 01:09 AM. Reason: zoom all depends on how much of a nit you are :)
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            11-12-2012 , 01:26 AM
            Thanks Burnss. That Boom promo got me playing Zoom. It's like crack. Need...to...stop.
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            11-12-2012 , 02:04 AM
            What is the boom hand today?
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            11-12-2012 , 02:10 AM
            Can you use ring game tickets for Zoom?
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            11-12-2012 , 03:41 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by BornToRun
            What is the boom hand today?
            Not sure if serious, but the Boom promo ended a while ago. I was just saying it initially started me playing Zoom.
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            11-12-2012 , 05:08 AM
              Full Tilt, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14511901

              CO: $7.20 (72 bb)
              BTN: $11.81 (118.1 bb)
              SB: $4.15 (41.5 bb)
              BB: $13.19 (131.9 bb)
              UTG+1: $3.25 (32.5 bb)
              UTG+2: $9.19 (91.9 bb)
              MP1: $10 (100 bb)
              MP2: $8.08 (80.8 bb)
              Hero (MP3): $15.24 (152.4 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J J
              4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.90, 2 folds




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              These are spots I have trouble with constatly. I've lost a lot of money in situations like this. Folding is so painfull but thats all I can do?
              Villian is 12/9 3bet 1.3
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              11-12-2012 , 05:13 AM
              no, you dont just have to fold, put him all in for being short stacked scum.
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              11-12-2012 , 05:16 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by chad0x00
              no, you dont just have to fold, put him all in for being short stacked scum.
              Maybe I'm just running terrible but when I do up I they always show up with KK+ :-(
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              11-12-2012 , 05:40 AM
              If you were both 100bb deep, you could call in position and set mine/see how it goes. In my experience, short stackers will 3bet with any pair, 2 broadway etc etc and JJ is ahead of that range so you should play on. at 50bb, you arent deep enough to set mine so fold or get in .. Please note! I am not very good at poker and I could be completely wrong abotu this.
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              11-12-2012 , 06:00 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by peterk9
              Can you use ring game tickets for Zoom?
              No, but you can use them for Rush.
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