can we make up equity in the hand later on by calling pre with a "trash hand" or should we always try to have a 50/50 equity hand vs opponents open range pre? what if hes playing loose? only if you at making good post flop decisions? is the flop the most important street to play? if so...why fold pre???

"any two cards can win, and I won't know if I don't see the flop"

This is the most classic fish thinking.

i wont know till i see opponents cards...maybe i dont have to see em, maybe he wll fold before me

I don't know what point you are making there.

ivey seemingly can but for the rest of us humans we should fold our trash unless ...... ?

if you have to ask then no but there ARE times went we can see cheap flops......chinox, if you are serious about learning how about YOU start the ball rolling by trying to come up with some situations where you believe that "we make up equity in the hand later on by calling pre with a "trash hand", can you complete my first sentence?

(this is actually a good challenge for you, show us how you think and we might be able to help)

I totally ignored the rest of your OP because its all over the place.

cos I watch baseball on tv.....can I swing at a fast ball at 2-1? what if I think he's throwing a sliding in a hitters count? if I know he's a fast ball first pitch guy do I try and hit that ****er out of the ball park on my first pitch? am I Jose Reyes or John Buck? why am I hitting .235 when I hit every 2nd ball out of the park in batting practice? why did i get sent to AA?

in before some smart assed american picks holes in my bad analogy....

There goes Ozi with another one of his sports analogies...

I dont even know what ozi said tbh lol

what?

dont play trash hands. they are called trash for a reason.

okay, let me be blunt.

i will tell you EVERY LA sports team has major problems. the dodgers, the lakers the angels. they are ****. they will never win. OMG kill me, they suck suck SUCK. i'll give you random details about how they suck....because THEY SUCk.

so do they suck?

i say, you ask terrible questions. if you want to get better at poker, learn to ask better questions. I'd rather you ask 'should I raise JTs in the CO than what you posted in OP. do you see why?

what?

and yes, u might call me an ******* but when you psot what u posted in OP and can do more than a 'what' in a reply then it is pretty clear you don't want to learn and want to sponge. don't be a taking sponge, give back to the forums. ducy?

go on, do better. one time

its semi basic baseball. level 7 for non-bball folks.

read OPs, post. it makes no sense. 50/50 wtf? I'm pretty sure what i've posted makes more sense than "or should we always try to have a 50/50 equity hand vs opponents open range pre" which means sweet **** all.

the 50/50 thing does make sense. he is asking should our hand have at least 50% equity vs someone range before we call.

To be fair, Ozi, you're not doing a good job at showing how silly the OP's questions are, which isn't a very monumental task. I assume that's what you're going for, but I can't tell because LOL

I'm on the button. There's a raise and two callers in front of me.

Please list all hold cards I can call with if I need 50% equity vs the field.

To be fair, gamma said that the 50/50 thing made sense, but he didn't say that the answer to the question was yes.

Ok if the raiser makes it 3x from MP we are on the BTN should our calling range have at least 30% to make the call? Forget the 50/50

In that case could I call with a 25% equity hand?

How can I give back when I'm asking a question?

lol wat?..

How would u kno which hands have 25%
Well as long as none of them have a ace then ANY Ax has 25%.. Doesnt mean u should b calling there w Ax..

U should jus play a hand that u know can beat their ranges for sure based on their stats/tendencies..
like u kno whatever they hav that QQ will be good vs them there enough of the time

Maybe but maybe not. The problem with using your hand's equity to guide pre-flop decisions is equity only tells you on avg what percentage of the time you will win the hand when you see all 5 cards. However, this is not how poker works; sometimes you will see 3 cards, sometimes 4 cards, sometimes 5 cards, and depending on the hand, sometimes 0 cards.

What about implied odds?

No, I don't see why. The question you posed is really easy to answer, so maybe that is why you rather him ask that question ? He wants to know in general how you decide which hands to call a raise with. Do you base it on equity or is there a better method for determining your calling range?

It depends what you mean by implied odds. If you mean figuring out how much you will make when you hit the flop, then yea, I think you are headed in the right direction