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01-25-2014 , 12:22 AM

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zoltan

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Originally Posted by A_Schupick

Which takes thousands of hands to prove.

Statistics doesn't *prove* anything, and the only consideration in our hypothetical experiment is change in win rate as a function of musical treatment.

I'm not going to provide a stats or experimental design tutorial here. You can believe me or not, I don't really care. But a quick read of pretty much any textbook for a first course in applied stats will show you why you don't need the sample size you think you need. In fact, you could use losing players as subjects in this experiment. DUCY?

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01-25-2014 , 01:22 AM

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A_Schupick

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 8,271

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Originally Posted by zoltan

I see why the overall number of participants would need to be small, but it has been proven on here numerous times that you need a significant hand sample to be sure of any change in winrate. Therefore, you are not measuring the change in winrate accurately. We only need about 27 people to measure if there is a change once we have said change in people's winrate figured out. (winrate doesn't always mean positive, since you keep inferring I don't get that.)

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01-25-2014 , 01:47 AM

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EC2200

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Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,760

Ego doesn't mean what you are implying at all. Ego is the self, the mind, the soul of a rational man. Telling people to play without ego, without self, without mind is clearly wrong on every level. All you listed and falsely ascribed to "ego" is incorrect premises that some people hold. But to fully correct incorrect premises requires using one's ego to it's full and greatest extent.

That this anti-egoism is being held up as some type of ideal scares the crap out of me tbh.

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01-25-2014 , 08:52 AM

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zoltan

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Originally Posted by A_Schupick

Sigh. I'm not implying that you don't understand WR can be negative, I'm just saying it doesn't have to be positive for this experiment. One can measure changes in the mean of a process even when there's a ton of variability surrounding that mean. Yes, you need large sample sizes to determine a "true" win rate, but true win rates don't matter for this experiment, only WR *during the experiment.*

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01-25-2014 , 09:17 AM

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gamma001

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nice post!

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01-26-2014 , 02:10 PM

#81

Breich

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Originally Posted by EvilGreebo

Great post except for something about point 1.

I agree that if you're listening to music that's a distraction, that it's a bad thing.

But from my 20 years in a career as a programmer, I know that for my own bad self, when I really, really need to concentrate, I need some music. Because if I don't have the music, my brain - my spastic, unfocused brain - seeks other sources of distraction in ways that negatively affect my focus on the task at hand.

So I listen to Floyd, or Rush, or Genesis, or Yes, or any of a number of other artists which do indeed have lyrics in their music, music which lets me focus in on thousands of lines of code looking for the one character or symbol out of place, because my rational, active thinking brain isn't listening to the music. My distracted spastic brain is listening to the music and my active thinking brain is laser focused.

Regarding music, I think one's ability to listen while doing something else without getting distracted depends on that person's ability to isolate a layer/texture of a song. Personally I focus on the bass line and drums most of the time, and I can tune out the vocals and everything else. So that instrument becomes the calming background noise to my mind. For someone else who can't do that, the vocals are most typically the only thing a lepton listens to, so of course that's more distracting than something else from the song.

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