Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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BB: $20.75
UTG: $50.00
UTG+1: $49.50
MP1: $22.73
MP2: $53.63
CO: $53.52
BTN: $48.50
Hero (SB): $69.24

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with A K
3 folds, MP2 raises to $1.50, 1 fold, BTN raises to $4.50, 3 folds

Final Pot: $3.75
BTN wins $3.75

The person who raised was super tight, I figured he must of had atleast pocket 10's or higher.. I made more then half my roll in that session and that was my last hand. Should I have called and seen flop expecting him to C bet or was it an ok move to fold AK sometimes seeing as he was super tight?

Without more info the fold looks good.

fold is marginal, but quit the table preflop

With only two shorties and a super tightie in your blinds...this is a good table. Not sure why 64 suggested otherwise.

I fold this pretty easily PF to a raise OOP.

Way to bury the lead!

Bankroll management?

quit on the hand when you would normally pay the big blind. how big is your roll? You dont seem to be observing bankroll management guidelines and can expect to go bust soon if you carry on that way.

dude you're playing with half of your BR on the table and make a nitty fold? be a man and shove pre. they're gonna think you have AA given the action. you also have blockers to one of them having AA/KK.

and next time, play 100NL with all your BR on the table, not 50NL with half. that's for sissy nits

I'm not playing exactly for money, its just to make my game a bit better and try build up bankroll for higher stakes in future. Regarding Bankroll management, no I am not following guides to grind out $0.01/.2 stakes, sounds way to boring. I'm doing this for fun to build up roll fast and effectively.. I seem to always make profit in my sessions into I run into hands like AK where I tend to shove and get called by Pocket J's or higher and lose my roll, so I'm trying to control myself now.

Dude, LOL @ all of this. You keep saying you're not playing for money and then keep talking about how you're trying to build a roll to play higher stakes.

You're going to go broke again. That's fine, but it's best you realize it so you don't get upset when it happens. Again.

Dude, this is contradictory. Not sure what you are smoking for this logic to make any sort of sense to you

Again, you are contradicting yourself. Playing for fun is the polar opposite of building a roll. Fish play for fun, winning players play +EV poker in games they have an edge in, and BANKROLL MANAGEMENT is part of the edge.

*sigh*

Look, I take it your roll is around $150. Question, what is the MOST you've built your roll to?

You are creating some very bad habits. Do you think you get your roll up to $2k and THEN you turn into a good player that follows proper bankroll management. Do you think you magically transform into a proper poker player over night?

HELL NO.

What you are doing now is building your foundation for what you will do later. And if you can't follow proper BRM now, then you are not going to follow it later. Go to BBV, that forum is littered with THOUSANDS of Risk of Ruin stories about players like you tilting off their entire roll overnight jumping up to the "big game"


Here is a thought. Why not follow BRM, and build your $150 roll into $1k over the next month. Doesn't that sound like fun? One month from now you could have $1k, how is that a bad thing? A month after that, you could build it up to $2k, then $3k, then $4k, and a year from now you could be at double digits.

Or, you could not follow BRM and fall into the busto-reload-busto-reload cycle that 80% of online players are stuck in...

In any event, if you keep putting 1/2 of your roll at risk, you won't be playing for long

He's saying quit before this hand because he's planning on making this his last hand. He should have made the previous hand his last hand, before he had to pay another blind.

If you're playing 2NL for any reason other than for fun you're doing it wrong. We can have fun playing well.

that bit where he said he had too high a proportion of his roll on the table

What about to learn the game and get better so we can move up?

Thanks for the post, I will look more into BRM and yeah my roll is about $200 now. The thing I was saying about $0.1/.02 is that I don't think those games require any skill, anyone will be calling anything if they have 1% chance of hitting, whereas these stakes at least you can bluff people from time to time.

This hand was kind of weird

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BB: $50.00
UTG: $22.09
UTG+1: $82.07
UTG+2: $20.00
MP1: $64.45
MP2: $28.75
Hero (CO): $43.98
BTN: $46.25
SB: $23.14

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with J J
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $3.59, BTN raises to $5.68, 3 folds, Hero raises to $43.98 all in, BTN calls $38.30

Flop: ($90.21) J T 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($90.21) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($90.21) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)



I knew the guy must have at least A K and yet I shoved, I got lucky but was it a bad play shoving with J's if you suspect other person has A K preflop? Obviously my tell was wrong and he had A's.

I don't like your shove - unless you've got good info on the villain, you're only getting called when you're beat - basically losing $45 when you're behind and winning $12 when you're ahead**, which is not a great bet.

Ideally you should learn to play post-flop so you don't have to negate your skill disadvantage by making big pre-flop moves like this all the time. Drop down imo.

** Roughly - can't be bothered to do the proper ev calc.

Yeah the JJ hand ain't great. Shoving over a cold 4bet with ep still to play is gonna lead to ruin.

OP no one here is saying any of this to make you feel bad or to be nasty, but most of us have seen these threads half a dozen times a day in BQ.

The advice provided re BRM isn't for our good, it's for yours. Of course u can deposit and put it all on one or two tables and learn that way, it's just gonna be really expensive for you. If you can afford it then fine.

But learning at the lowest levels is cheap, and making mistakes just doesn't cost as much. Learn the basics there and move up when you're ready or rolled for it.

If learning the game and being a good player doesn't float your boat, and you just want a quick buck you're gonna be very disappointed, and even if you get lucky and do build a roll and go play 200nl, they are going to eat you for breakfast

You don't need a lot of skill to beat 2NL, but skill is certainly involved. It's just that being patient and valuebetting aren't as sexy as bluffing.
Online poker isn't much like it appears in the movies. If you're in it for the bluffs, say goodbye to your roll.

Why are you wanting to get better if you don't find poker fun? Let's face it, as a 2NL player without sick volume you're probably going to be playing for cheeseburgers for a couple of years. So you need to find it fun to not have your soul destroyed.

Your tell??? What exactly was your tell. Do you have a HUD and villain has a VPIP of 70? and a PFR of 30???

You go from $5.68 to $43.98

the question you need to ask yourself is what lessor hands can call that 5bet shove???

Is villain ever calling that raise with 22-TT? The only hand V can have that might make that call is AK. So its just a bad bet because the only range that calls that bet is KK, AA, AK and vs that range JJ has 39% equity.

Don't make bets that a lessor hand cannot call.

OP, have you ever seen a horror movie? Ever notice how the characters within the horror movie are so stupid and do the same thing over and over again and get killed over and over again. And while we are watching these horror movies don't we always say to ourselves, "Damn it, if we know the killer is out there, why the hell don't we buy a plane ticket and Get the F out of there???"

Well, on 2+2 there is a recurring theme, and that is the noob who doesn't want to follow BRM. Said noob has a few big recent wins under his belt playing a game ten times too big for his roll. Said noob feels invincible and posts on 2+2 to ask for advice but really just to brag. We then go on to tell said noob that if he doesn't follow BRM he is going to go busto. Said noob, replies with excuses for why he is a unique and special snowflake and why the rules don't apply to him because he is magical and the next Durrr.

And then, fast forward two weeks and said noob is busto and hasn't logged back on to 2+2.

Your roll is $200 and you are playing $0.25/$0.50

In order to play that game, you need a MINIMUM bankroll of $1k

So why do you need 20 BIs??? Well, I created a poker program simulation in which we have 66% equity in all of our situations (WHICH IS HUGE) and guess what? We will experience a downswing of 17 buy-ins.



Look at hand 10,000 thru 13,000. That is a 17 buy-in downswing despite us being a 66% favorite in every encounter. This is incredibly optimistic since we will often encounter spots where we are behind...

So I hope you see we aren't just piling on here with chicken little talk of BRM.

BRM is real. And if you don't drop down to 10NL immediately you are going to bust through your roll. Its not a question of if, but a question of when.

I was thinking this too.


Original Poster, you seemed to randomly guess for no reason that he had AK and then called it your tell. I have no idea what "tell" you were talking about. Pretty sure you just randomly picked a hand ... though not quite randomly .... people who do this often pick AK.



You are playing a full ring game. 9 guys are at the table.

One in EP raises. You tell us nothing about him; no reads, stats, info of any kind ... so i assume he is an unknown. You 3bet with JJ. I would not have done that. I would not 3bet an unknown early position raiser with JJ. I would have just called.

As played, after you 3bet, another player cold 4bets (it looks like a minimum 4bet, but I did not add it up to check). So EP raises, you 3bet with JJ and someone cold 4bets. I would usually fold if the 4bet was actually a normal size. However, he seems to have min4bet. I think you actually have room to setmine vs. his 4bet here. So I would call and look to setmine .... hopefully hit a J on the flop.

Your 5bet shove seems awful. You have no info on the first raiser or on the guy who cold 4bet you while facing two raises and yet you 3bet vs. the EP raiser and 5 bet shoved over the guy who cold 4bet.

JJ is not close to strong enough to do both of these things against unknown players.

That guy who kept talking in the third person and calling himself the Terrell (is that how you spell Terrell? I'm not looking it up) Owens of poker and whatever other names ..... well he lasted a few months I think. Though to be fair, he was more advanced than most who refuse to accept things and learn. He actually did manage his "bankroll" decently I think ... it was more his refusal to accept he was making mistakes playing. So, I guess it is different actually.

Damn, I can't remember what this guy's name was here.

Tony The Tiger

Last activity on here was over a year ago.

Good discipline is key to winning in poker; knowing what to do and doing it is very important. It seems like OP is playing for the thrill of the game and not necessarily just trying to get better: This is taken from OP last post and the fact that he's trying a get rich quick approach regarding BRM. We all have leaks, but we should be continually trying to fix them.

That was it.

Thanks.