**** it. I'm convinced.

Bye poker.

Oooo. I just won a pot.

Hi poker.

posting in epic thread


cool story bro

wtf is this s**t

5 stars for lols tho OP, and that graph, if my graph looked like that i'd prolly write simlar bollocks myself

Bollocks - o'really?

So nothing I posted in the OP was true about most players? And so what about my graph this thread is not about me or how badly I play.

Read the thread for whats it worth, if you think its bollocks, then fine.

But hey, on the plus side, at least you seem to take criticism really well.

You'll go far imo.

What?

I dont mind criticism but what are you/others trying to critize my thread or how I play.

I love criticism it helps me improve or change my mind about something.

OP, as I read your responses, I go back and forth from hearing it in a German accent to it sounding like Gollum from Lord of the Rings.

I think its bollocks.

Anyone can luck box their way into winning the sunday million and they've made it. Its cash that takes skill that most will fail.

I`ll read this post everyday mate

lol

If the OP will make some people quit poker (which is a laughable idea at best), who cares? If harsh criticism (which isn't even aimed at you in first place but as a whole group of players instead) is going to make you quit, you're probably not ready to start fixing your game.

Granted, not everyone takes criticism the same way. Some people like constructive criticism presented in a positive way.

Others, like myself, like it as harsh and as critical as possible. There's nothing wrong with either option really, but again, disregarding the OP's points because his presentation was too harsh is just silly. Adding to that, him being a successful player or not is irrelevant because (as I mentioned before), he's not telling you how to play, he's telling you what flaws about yourself you need to keep in check.

Lastly, who cares if he's repeating what other people have said? Most of the points I've read elsewhere and some are new to me. Having them condensed in a single post is great.

A little reminder every now and then never hurts either.

Glad everyone got level'd ITT

Grats OP, mission accomplished.pic

I enjoy losing. Sometimes I fold quads to a shove because it's like a dirty secret and it gives a me thrill.

"Quitters never win, winners never quit, but those who never win AND never quit are idiots."
Stole that quote from despair.com

It's kind of like that movie Rudy about the guy wanting to play on the Notre Dame football team. The guy busts his ass, takes a bunch of crap from everyone and sticks with it, stays motivated, deals with the abuse, works hard, and at the end of the season, he's the worst player on the team.

A positive mental attitude, discipline and willpower are all great things and necessary to excel at anything, but at some point it crosses the line from hopeful to delusional. Where exactly that line is drawn is dependent on the person and their endeavor.

As for Rudy, he dream was to play for Notre Dame, not to be the best player on the team, and he made his goals, so I don't think you analogy holds up well. (If I remember the movie correctly).

Like I said, almost anyone is capable of almost anything* with discipline and willpower.

* No matter how disciplined and how much I stick at it, I would never be able to become a winning jockey because I am 6' tall 200lbs+. So, realistic goals. Being a winning poker poker is pretty realistic.

Well that was the point of what I was saying, being realistic about your goals and your abilities, and sometimes discipline and willpower aren't enough.
My point of bringing up Rudy was when you said discipline + willpower > talent. He had more discipline and willpower than anyone else but far less talent, and it showed.

I honestly don't think being a winning poker player is realistic for a lot of people. Some people are just bad at math, overly competitive, overly emotional, have short attention spans, etc. etc. that are just huge deficits in poker. And if these people think they can change these fundamental aspects of their personalities with willpower, that may (not always though) be crossing that line from hopeful to delusional.
I think you and I are kind of driving at the same point from different angles.

I disagree, and I agree that discipline and willpower should be enough for most people. I am bad at math, highly competitive and sometimes complusive, and yet im a wining player.

to be a winning player you are likely applying math subconsciously.
Poker isn't strictly about math, it's about making the right decisions...it's just that the right decisions are supported by the math.

You could never think of poker from a mathematical perspective but still intuitively know what is a good call and a bad call because through experience you've seen every situation in poker there is.

I dont understand. To me its the same as telling bad players how to improve their game (which is why they come to 2+2) if we cared that much about poker we probably wouldnt tell them anything or help them in any way because that just goes against the very nature of poker - we dont want to be playing better players, we want them to make mistakes.

Since I cant give good advice about the strategic aspect of the game I felt I would create a post to highlight some reasons why some people wont "make it in poker" to me thats helping them out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuition_(knowledge)

Logic verus Intuition

I pick logic.

Who cares how the OP came off in his post? I'm not sure why his comments would offend anyone as it's not like he knows you personally to direct it that way. The truth is some of these things make sense.

I read the complete op and enjoyed it. Most of it is true and it serves as a good wake up call to us all.

Yea not sure why so many people got butt hurt.

I think the OP is well taken for the "hoop dreams" players who project their 2NL - 10NL experience to the baller lifestyle. BQ frequently gets the "what sort of winrate can I expect at xNL" thread, which is basically people counting $$$ when the only thing they've ever accomplished in poker is beating the worst players available online. To the extent that OP gives a dose of reality to these players, nh. However, the responses that the OP prompted are equally valuable, if not more so, because by and large they stress putting poker in perspective, which IMO is "making it" not only in poker but also IRL.

great post tbh, not all of it applies to me , I would never blame "bad players", or put bad play/downswing down to variance, but enough to make me question how committed I am to actually mastering the game, as opposed to reading half a book, posting 1 or 2 hands every 2 weeks, and learning just basics.
What scares me the most is how quickly I go into my B-game, as a matter of fact i rarely play my A-game.

The other day I lost a few 50/50 all ins in a row at micro STTs, convinced myself I wasnt tilted, didnt too anything major at the next table , then got JJ at blinds 10/20. Villain had been quiet so far and put me all in , my brain was screaming "dont call dont call,he has AA,KK, its too early, dont call". I called. He had AA, stopped there and then and am not going to go back to it till I know I am absolutely committed to LEARNING poker not just playing a few tables every evening.