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Why is Snowie suggesting this call? Why is Snowie suggesting this call?

03-17-2019 , 07:33 PM
I have scratching my head a bit at this one. This happened during the first rotation at the table, and I have never seen the opponent before. I tanked my time bank and was close to a call, but choose not to.

I just don't see why anyone would risk 29BB to win 6.5BB. Then I put it into PokerSnowie, which tells me it should be a call. Can anyone explain why?



Two missed flush draws and a potential straight draw on the board. But again, a little frisky for 6.5BB. 3x pot could accomplish the same.

partypoker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $2.30 (115 bb)
MP: $2.38 (119 bb)
CO: $0.98 (49 bb)
BU: $1.39 (70 bb)
SB: $2.28 (114 bb)
BB (Hero): $1.00 (50 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with 8 9
UTG raises to $0.04, 4 players fold, Hero calls $0.02

Flop: ($0.09) J 8 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: ($0.09) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.02, Hero calls $0.02

River: ($0.13) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.58, BB (Hero) folds

Total pot: $0.13 (Rake: $0)
UTG wins $0.13

Last edited by Lyamani; 03-17-2019 at 07:47 PM.
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03-17-2019 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Lyamani
I just don't see why anyone would risk 29BB to win 6.5BB.
How did you come up with 6.5bb?
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03-17-2019 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
How did you come up with 6.5bb?
There is 0.13 in the pot. This is 2NL. 0.13/0.02 = 6.5BB or am I being a goofball?
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03-17-2019 , 08:25 PM
I would say there is 0.71 in the pot.
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03-17-2019 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
I would say there is 0.71 in the pot.
I meant, that I don't understand why he would risk losing 29BB to win a 6.5BB pot. After his bet, I agree that it was a 0.71 pot. I just don't see why he would 4.5x the pot as a bluff is what I am trying to say.

Sorry if am a little vague, it's not intentional.
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03-17-2019 , 08:57 PM
Fold pre.

As played, yeah I fold here too. 2NL tends to be nitty, never played on party so can't say but I think this is likeliest villain hitting his gutshot or slowplaying a set of Jacks. Also could be air but whatever.

snowie probably sees overbets with more air or something. I don't know the reasoning TBH. Maybe you're exploitable if you fold 2 pair when faced with bizarre behaviour.

Really fold pre though.
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03-17-2019 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
Fold pre.

As played, yeah I fold here too. 2NL tends to be nitty, never played on party so can't say but I think this is likeliest villain hitting his gutshot or slowplaying a set of Jacks. Also could be air but whatever.

snowie probably sees overbets with more air or something. I don't know the reasoning TBH. Maybe you're exploitable if you fold 2 pair when faced with bizarre behaviour.

Really fold pre though.
Edit: Jesus Christ I am mixing up hands, Yes this was definitely a fold pre.

Last edited by Lyamani; 03-17-2019 at 09:19 PM.
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03-17-2019 , 09:15 PM
I'm calling UTG all day and half the night.

Put a range on villain PF please.
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03-17-2019 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
I'm calling UTG all day and half the night.

Put a range on villain PF please.
Tough, this is the micros after all. I'd figure AK, AQ, Some AJ combo's. JJ, 99 combos. Possibly JTs and QJs combos. QTs probably doesn't open.

I doubt JJ tho, since I'd figure it would've value bet a little more, on the flop or turn.
99 is possible.

Maybe he had an 88 or an 89s combo.
I honestly have no idea, for all I know he could've floated QT.

Last edited by Lyamani; 03-17-2019 at 09:47 PM.
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03-18-2019 , 01:02 AM
Think about your range. If you’re folding this you’re folding almost everything and villain can bluff any two for this sizing. In theory you should be able to defend with at least some hands against any sizing, even an allin here.

I don’t play this site/stake, but I’m calling river, too. Villain took a weird line and we’re quite high in our range with two pair having shown no aggression so far.
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03-18-2019 , 08:09 AM
That hand perfectly illustrates the problem with using Snowie for postflop spots at NL2, especially on the river.

The vast majority of NL2 players are nits or random button clickers. The main challenge for a player is to determine their villains player types. Snowie can’t help you with that.

#1 rule against a nit is not to bluffcatch. When a nit bets 4.5x pot on the river, two pair is a bluffcatcher.
Against a random button clicker, we have a clear call. Not only do draws brick but we also beat a bunch of hands in his “value” range.
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03-18-2019 , 10:48 AM
I wouldn't recommend using snowie to analyze weird lines/river plays... For example facing a 4x river psb.
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