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01-24-2010 , 03:28 PM
Hello all... been a lurker inconsistently over the last couple years... OK, very inconsistently.


I'm a micro-stakes player, lots of SnG $22 and $11, and some .50/$1 NLH, but very little... maybe average an hour a week. I've been playing for years, just not much, or overall well. I'm a small winner/break even player. I've read some books, but really studied none. I've read all about PT/HEM, training sites, etc.

I want to get better. I know I have leaks, I know I need to get better, but I have a pretty limited bankroll. I don't really want to just randomly spend bucks on training sites/tracking software/books etc, and overwhelm myself. i know it takes time to implement strategies, and just barraging myself with info won't help in the long run.

I need to prioritize my learning, my study, and my play. Where do I start? I've narrowed it down thinking that I'm looking at HEM and StoxPoker, but it all seems very overwhelming. HEM has so much stuff... where do you begin???

What suggestions do experienced experts have about where to start, what's most important first, and where to turn for the best info. For instance:

-is there a video explanation of how HEM works, what it all means, and can walk me through a basic set up and how to use it, in a pretty basic sense?

-with a limited bankroll/funds, should I just bite the bullet and buy both HEM and Stox, or should I get one, study it somewhat, then get the other?

-What about stuff like Leak buster, and other add ons?

I have quite a few hands banked to import into HEM/PT, but not at the volume of grinders.

I know quite a bit about poker, but I'm an amateur, and rec player. I know the fundamentals of lingo, but then some posts on 2+2 with all these acronyms just lose me...

I want to get better. I want to supplement my income. I want to make enough by summer for a motorcycle... but I know I have a long way to go.

Any help is appreciated, serious help, and thanks in advance.
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01-24-2010 , 03:35 PM
fees 6 max guide is good read..pretty sure its on here somewhere. Also the limits you say you play arent micro. If your still learning play smaller limits. To play 100Nl you probably want to have atleast $3500 bankroll.
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01-24-2010 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by VanIsleRyan
fees 6 max guide is good read..pretty sure its on here somewhere. Also the limits you say you play arent micro. If your still learning play smaller limits. To play 100Nl you probably want to have atleast $3500 bankroll.

It's not my livelihood, and i estimated that 100 buy ins was about right... so a $1K bankroll has 100 - $100 buy ins... putting me adequately at .50/$1NLH

No?
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01-24-2010 , 04:03 PM
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so a $1K bankroll has 100 - $100 buy ins... putting me adequately at .50/$1NLH
?
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01-24-2010 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptPhil
It's not my livelihood, and i estimated that 100 buy ins was about right... so a $1K bankroll has 100 - $100 buy ins... putting me adequately at .50/$1NLH

No?
Uh oh...time to buy a calculator. What is 100 times 100....hint its not 1000.
Good luck sorting out pot odds.
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01-24-2010 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptPhil
so a $1K bankroll has 100 - $100 buy ins... putting me adequately at .50/$1NLH

No?
100 * $100 != $1,000

you are going to need a bit more
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01-24-2010 , 04:07 PM
ITT: 100 * 100 = 1,000

EDIT: Lol 3 posts in 3 minutes
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01-24-2010 , 04:10 PM
u're 100% sure it's 1,000 for 100*100?
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01-24-2010 , 04:26 PM
100nl = $1bb

So 100x20 = 2000...and that's the minimum you'll want
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01-24-2010 , 04:28 PM
Start in a 3rd grade math class.
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01-24-2010 , 04:33 PM
For an HUD i suggest the free trails HEM and PT3 offer, try both for the full trial then pick whichever you like more.

You should understand the basics of both in that amount of time. (75 days combined)
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01-24-2010 , 04:53 PM
u can always sign up for rakeback deals, rake some amount to get a free month for vids and hem, cardrunners leggopoker and others has those deals,, gogo
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01-24-2010 , 06:14 PM
Wow... what a bunch of asses some of you are. Yeah, I typed it wrong, and added a 0... 10 buy ins. Wooo! Thanks for the support. So much for the supportive environment. I had higher hopes... another mistake, I guess.

To those of you that actually are constructive, thanks for the advice, and I'll check some of those things out.

I have never had any trouble playing with 10 buy ins, like I said, I'm not playing a ton, but I can look at altering that.
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01-24-2010 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptPhil
Wow... what a bunch of asses some of you are. Yeah, I typed it wrong, and added a 0... 10 buy ins. Wooo! Thanks for the support. So much for the supportive environment. I had higher hopes... another mistake, I guess.

To those of you that actually are constructive, thanks for the advice, and I'll check some of those things out.

I have never had any trouble playing with 10 buy ins, like I said, I'm not playing a ton, but I can look at altering that.
Ignore it.

A lot of the negative morons on here are just pissed that they're still in the micros after a year of play.
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01-24-2010 , 06:16 PM
You said you have been lurking here for awhile, and you are surprised by the amount of asses here?


Must be a liar.
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01-24-2010 , 09:03 PM
"maybe average an hour a week. I've been playing for years, just not much, or overall well"

I started playing poker as a kid with parents and family that were Vegas junket addicts

One slight problem was it was all 7stud

I sat for my first hold em game when I was 35. A visiting friend actually used the floor people at Binion's Horseshoe to "bully" me into sitting down!

I had read many books but it was like reading a book about driving an auto.
You just had to go do it to truly learn.

Of course I got bit and my learning sessions were 8-12+ hours a day. A few times I'd run 36 hour marathons.

Man did I learn a ton.

Now you could be a better learner than me but putting in 52 hours a year isn't that much poker.

Even Brunson admits "these internet kids" have a lot more experience because they've seen more hands in such a shorter time frame than live players with the same amount of "time".

It's all about situations and how you react to them and that equates to one thing. Hands played/observed.

You need that experience to apply what you've learned/are learning.

A book I have from Ken Warren gives you instruction then tells you to go play that lesson and progresses through the game lesson by lesson.


My suggestion would be to use proper bank roll management (BRM), which your 10 buy-ins (BI's) is below the standard.

Then start putting in the time. It is truly the only way one will learn about the game.

I'm going through this with the transition of live to online.

I'm back to paying my dues, to learn online poker.
Not that I think I wasn't still learning poker at the felt, but in my humble opinion (IMHO) I knew more about live play than online play!
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01-26-2010 , 07:06 PM
Much appreciated
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