In 2012 I had a month where i made around $2300 at NL10 full ring 24 tabling. I had a couple $300 days in that month. I dont think the games have gotten much tougher since then.

Yes the rake is high but if you table select well and are solid you can completely crush without being a great player. I think just playing semi loose and aggressive and having a decent understanding of how to value bet thin is all you really need.

It's a 10NL Zen prop bet, you can only accept it if you decline it.

Graphs or GTFO.

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Games have gotten a bit tougher since 2012 though, it must be said.

I'm sure they have but I honestly don't notice a significant difference. I took most of 2013 off of poker and just got back into it at the beginning of this year with only $100 leftover in my account so had to grind back up.

I played 54k hands of 10NL while 24 tabling and made over 10bb/100. I know this is not a big sample size but it just goes to show that 10NL regs are generally very very bad at this game.

I bet that most of the regs that complain about games being tough relative to rake at this level are just not stealing blinds wide enough, not isolating fish wide enough, not 3betting wide enough, not value betting medium strength hands often enough on the turn and river (ie pot controlling way too much).

Any 10NL reg that is slightly winning or break even could probably start crushing if they got Cardrunners EV and put in like 20 hours of serious work away from the table.

That's sick. I didn't even know it was possible to 24 table 10nl with $100.

Not sure if joking or hasn't read topic.

'Microstakes poker is a gold mine'

Bit of an oxymoron there, surely?

You do realize you being able to beat 10NL and some guy who doesn't play online poker and can't play 24 tables beating 10NL aren't the same thing, right? Not to mention he's American and will be playing on a site with less than 200 average players.

Obviously 10NL players are really bad, that's why they play 10NL. That wasn't my point though. My point was for the majority of people beating the rake over a large sample is very hard and if you have the bankroll to avoid the rake trap you should at all costs. I'm not saying it isn't possible, because I know it is and know I could beat the rake if I absolutely had to. Hopefully my life doesn't come to that though.

The bolded part highlights the attitude that encouraged me to even bother posting in this thread in the first place. First of all the majority of the people do not even remotely try to beat the rake, which in turn makes it that much easier for people who do actually try to beat the rake.

Secondly, your assertion that it is a rake trap that should be avoided if you have the bankroll for it is nonsense and bad advice. You should definitely skip 10NL if you have the bankroll + the skills to back it up but for most people who are not beating the rake at 10NL the answer is not to move up. It is to get better at the game which again for most microstakes grinders it would literally require like a few days of study away from the tables but most grinders never get around to doing that...

iPlayPLOhigh obviously is the awesome at the poker but can't beat 10NL because of the rake.

I heard that before. Almost like cannot beat 2nl because the players there are terrible and unpredictable.

Because I play 10NL lmao.

Not sure what you mean by that comment.
If you really do play 10NL, over a significant numbers of hands, then you should know your original statement is absurd. Either that or you are part of the 80% of players with a winrate of less than 0bb/100 after rake.

If you were being sarcastic and infact a baller in the 1/2 live games, then you know absolutely nothing about online games and you should keep your opinion to yourself.

Or there can be the off-chance that everyone here is wrong and you are right.

Or maybe I play online poker for more than pennies?

Again, never did I say it was IMPOSSIBLE to beat 10NL. I said it's a raketrap, which it is, no matter if you are winning or losing. Not sure why all the microstakes cash players are so offended by the truth.

You can beat the micros and it still be true that rake is eating up a huge % of your earnings. Way more so than at the higher limits. Who wants to grind for the site to make just as much money or more than you are unless they have to?

The guy has $13K, not $130, he doesn't need to play 10NL on some of the softest sites on Earth.

You do realise that rake from 10NL to 50NL stays roughly the same (like 1bb/100 difference per limit), right? And if he jumps straight into 100 he's going to be crushed?

Obviously 10NL is hard for you.

Not sure why you think micro grinders will be offended by you saying 10NL is impossible to beat due to rake. Infact we are proud, if that was true.

The main issue is, you are spreading false statements. Your statement is as bad as saying 2NL is unbeatable because the players there are unpredictable.

Lol, you're sad dude. Keep livin' the dream. Good luck to you, no wonder OP abandoned the thread. You're clearly offended as you keep going on and on about how absurd me saying it's a rake trap (which it is).

As far as 10NL being hard, I wouldn't know. Even when I started there 5 years ago I got out as fast as I could. If it came down to grinding for pennies again I'd just quit poker

I wouldn't waste your time with a reply as I'm unsubscribing as well. This is exactly why I don't waste my time posting in this forum.

10NL 5 years ago was almost certainly easier than 2NL is now.

This thread long ago stop being about me haha

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No, you said something which was factually incorrect and you got called on it. Ever since then it's been you dancing around and arguing instead of just admitting you were wrong.

BTW the smoke you're blowing ("I'm too good to play 10NL anyway", "OK let's make a bet oh wait people accepted oh I've changed my mind" etc.) just makes more obvious that you're wrong, rather than less.

Iplayplohigh,

Listen to what your superiors are saying you big dummy