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01-11-2012 , 06:21 PM

psychosniper2012

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this will be against regs who i know mostly wont ship with under tptk.

once in a while just do something completely insane to put him to a test. every time i check river and they put out some thin value bet and i know they have exactly tpwk and i'll spazz out allin with 8 high. flip the tables.

spazzing range would be on scare cards, and mostly in late position pots against regs who i have some info on. dont want a call so would have to be a big allin spazz

every time i do it i'll note it down so the next time i do it i'll have the nuts against that particular reg

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01-11-2012 , 06:32 PM

Cry Me A River

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If you know this:

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Originally Posted by psychosniper2012

this will be against regs who i know mostly wont ship with under tptk.

And you know this:

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Originally Posted by psychosniper2012

i know they have exactly tpwk

Why wouldn't you always push them off their hand?

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01-11-2012 , 06:49 PM

denks

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Optimal play has a bluffing component where on the river you will c/r a certain % of bluffs and lead out a certain % of bluffs which are done with the weakest part of your range in that position i.e. hands with absolutely no showdown value (something like 54s with a busted draw would be a perfect example of a hand to bluff with). Finding the correct % and the correct raise size is the hard part, getting these wrong can become very costly.

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01-11-2012 , 06:54 PM

denks

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If you know this:

And you know this:

Why wouldn't you always push them off their hand?

Because then they catch on and stop folding (or stop thin value betting). If you keep it at a high percent but below 100% then quite often they never catch on. As long as they see you fold sometimes they think they are playing correctly.

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01-11-2012 , 07:02 PM

Mr Beer

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It sounds less like a spazzing range and more like making a large river raise on a scary board in order to bluff a reg whose thin value river bet indicates they do not want to play for stacks. Aren't our cards largely irrelevent here? I think villain's range is polarised to the extent that our 2nd pair hands play exactly as well as our air when he calls.

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01-11-2012 , 07:34 PM

denks

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Just reviewed the TIPP bit on optimal river ranges...
The correct c/r range is hands that are a fraction too weak to c/c and a fraction too strong to c/f. So if vil is b/f too often then I guess c/r second pair is probably a very solid play, the weakest hands should be b/f instead of c/r'ed. This of course is assuming vil is not just constantly bluff b/f the river, in which case a better line would be to widen the c/c range to include second pair rather than c/r range.

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01-11-2012 , 07:35 PM

Cry Me A River

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Because then they catch on and stop folding

Then this is no longer true for that player:

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Originally Posted by psychosniper2012

this will be against regs who i know mostly wont ship with under tptk.

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