Title is inspired by Denks and dakk453's thought of my overall play. Thanks Denks for being so bossly. And Dakk for the tough love.

My last hand of the night. Sorry for putting so many posts guys. I just really want to be better at this game. Mildly addicted.

Villain's stats over 42 hands: VPIP 59/ PFR 24/ AF 4.0/ flop bet 8/ turn bet 25

Very small sample. So flop and turn stats maybe take with a grain of salt.

Semi inducing check on the turn, but I don't know if a fish would bluff here (with such a big river bet) enough times? ARGARGARGARGRAGARG WHY DIDN'T I BET THE TUUUUUUUUURRRRRN.

Anyways, thoughts?

Bet flop MUCH more.
Bet turn for an almost pot sized bet
Flat river as we will be committed by then anyway (if it hasnt gone all-in anyway).

Definitely should have bet turn. Guilty of FPS a bit. What's optimal sizing to be called by worse here though?

with a guy like that, just under pot size

Really? At 2nl I'd assume that'd be folding out a lot of hands I beat?

My first question would be why the pre flop 3-bet?

After that, there are a heap of draws out there. Vil seems aggro so I don't hate checking back turn with intention of calling almost any river (3d is relatively safe) or betting if checked to as he has a very wide range, it also saves us from a much nastier spot if he decides to check-raise the scare card. Against a reasonable standard micro player I prefer betting turn with intention of checking back river and folding to a check-raise.

+1

I'd either call of fold depending on if the guy's positionally aware. If he is, I'd fold. If not, I'd call.

Well, I'm generally not folding. Why not 3bet though? Is it because I'm betting a hand that is now most likely dominated if called? Look at the villains range! He will call with worse, and I want to punish fit and fold play.

He shouldn't call with worse if he's positionally aware and opening UTG.

A standard UTG opening range might be something like 22+, ATs+, KQs, QJs, JTs, AJo+, KQo, which is 11.5% of hands. If UTG defends 40% to deny you immediate profit, he only needs to defend 4.6% - which is TT+, AQs+, AQo+.

Your equity against that range?

TT+, AQs+, AQo+ 72.44%
KQo 27.56%.

Not to mention it's actually worse than this for you, since he's going to ship preflop with some of the above hands meaning you never get a chance to compete for your equity in the pot as you'll have to fold. At a minimum, expect him to ship KK+. Often they'll ship QQ and AK too.

Also villains stats in this hand are irrelevant since the guy you 3bet was the UTG raiser not the SB cold caller. The thing to ask yourself is - what is UTG's stats? Though really even against complete maniacs you're not often going to be great when he calls a 3bet after opening UTG.

You have a small sample and he raised from utg. If he's positionally aware, then his utg range will be much tighter than his aggregate 24% preflop raise. 4.0 AF seems to indicate that he likes to bet and raise a lot postflop, and we have a hand that can flop big or flop nothing. I'd much rather let him have the initiative so he can spew. Also, we're in position so we always have the option of betting at our disposal should he check a postflop street.

Sure, if we 3 bet he'll call with worse, but how often do you think you're gonna take down the pot with King high unimproved? If he only had 12 big blinds? Yeah get it in and fistpump. Full stacks? You're just setting yourself up to get bluffed or pay off with second best hands. Future action matters a lot in this spot.

I agree with not 3betting here in general just because your sample is small. If the guys stats are like that after 100+ more hands I think I am 3betting. Fish will call with much worse hands and likely 4bet AK sometimes AQ and PP's JJ+. Thats my reasoning at least.

Def need to value bet turn against fish like that. The definition of a fish is that they call too much. They are too loose. You lose value on the turn by not betting and you also made your river decision much tougher it looks like. Betting on the turn will at least give you an idea of what he has depending on what V does in response.

I Just read Bobs post above. I get the reasoning bob, but it seems like kind of a scared way to play in pos. vs a fish? Basically giving them cards to see when they are playing pretty wide range of trash. Here I can understand flatting pre though as he is UTG and we dont have a lot of information anyways.

Didn't read responses ....

Do you have stats/info on how he reacts to 3bets?

I'd go bigger on the flop. $0.30 to $0.32 or so. Or if you make it like 0.37^ to $0.38, it sets up a turn shove because he only has 80ish big blinds.

I'd bet the turn.

As played, river is an easy call.





EDIT:

I completely missed that SB cold called and that is whose stats those are and who post-flop is played against. So everything above was stated thinking that those stats were UTG's stats and everyone behind hero folded and UTG called the 3bet.

I like 3betting pre-flop. The guy is playing 59/24 after 42 hands. He's likely not positionally aware and he likely calls way too much. I'd probably have made the 3bet just a bit bigger. (If villain 4bets a lot, then calling pre may be better.)

And 3betting gets even better if there are players behind you who 3bet/squeeze somewhat frequently. Although, given positions in this particular hand, people are less likely to 3bet/squeeze too wide.





EDIT:

I completely missed that SB cold called and that is whose stats those are and who post-flop is played against. So everything above was stated thinking that those stats were UTG's stats and everyone behind hero folded and UTG called the 3bet.