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10-08-2009 , 10:39 PM
Hello all,
Well here is my sob story. I have recently been getting knocked out online with some miracle hands. 2 and 4 outers on the river usually, runner runner flush, KK losing to QQ, etc. I play the same game I have and get run over and nearly always in with the best hand and/or draw. Prior to this I was crushing things. Still up a bunch, however not sure what to do next. This is online and MTT and S&Gs I speak of BTW. Now I play regular house games which I kill and this has not changed. So I do not believe my style, reads, or strategy has changed. Now i ask:
1) Are there clearer patterns of variance on line.
2) If so, how can I reverse this.
3) How can I keep these bad beats from tainting my game.
I know that there will be guys on this section that will just tell me how bad I am, so go ahead. But if you do please leave something helpful as well. Thanks in advance all.
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10-08-2009 , 10:57 PM
All sites are rigged
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10-08-2009 , 11:06 PM
Move down where they respect your 1st level thinking, & lack of understanding of how variance applies to poker.
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10-08-2009 , 11:11 PM
[x] OP is headed for the valley of unhappiness
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10-08-2009 , 11:20 PM
Really don't know why I post here. All people do is belittle. I admit I am no expert and that is why I am asking for advise. Please, strike educate me with you knowledge instead of insulting me.
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10-08-2009 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by superclean
Really don't know why I post here. All people do is belittle. I admit I am no expert and that is why I am asking for advise. Please, strike educate me with you knowledge instead of insulting me.
fold
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10-08-2009 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by superclean
Really don't know why I post here. All people do is belittle. I admit I am no expert and that is why I am asking for advise. Please, strike educate me with you knowledge instead of insulting me.
Aww, serious time in BBV:

I wasn't insulting you, I was simply pointing out the obvious as illustrated in your OP. You came to the right place, now get a clue.
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10-08-2009 , 11:27 PM
if the hand number is a prime number u always win if u bet 1/3 pot on turn. everyone knows this and its how u become balla..

stop playin ur hands and follow the patterns or ur just gonna be another statistic...


EDIT: woot .. fiddy posts.. now im swinging hard

Last edited by satfat; 10-08-2009 at 11:28 PM. Reason: wooooooot
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10-08-2009 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by superclean
Hello all,
Well here is my sob story. I have recently been getting knocked out online with some miracle hands. 2 and 4 outers on the river usually, runner runner flush, KK losing to QQ, etc. I play the same game I have and get run over and nearly always in with the best hand and/or draw. Prior to this I was crushing things. Still up a bunch, however not sure what to do next. This is online and MTT and S&Gs I speak of BTW. Now I play regular house games which I kill and this has not changed. So I do not believe my style, reads, or strategy has changed. Now i ask:
1) Are there clearer patterns of variance on line.
2) If so, how can I reverse this.
3) How can I keep these bad beats from tainting my game.
I know that there will be guys on this section that will just tell me how bad I am, so go ahead. But if you do please leave something helpful as well. Thanks in advance all.


lol
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10-08-2009 , 11:35 PM
Ohhhhhh, see I thought it was 2/3 of the pot on the turn. Thank you for saving me thousands in future mistakes.
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10-08-2009 , 11:38 PM
i know mostly all the patterns on most sites. PM me for coaching
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10-09-2009 , 12:22 AM
Serious time...

1) no clear patterns as this makes no sense whatsoever
2) you cannot reverse or control this magical patern that you speak of. Or variance
3) understand that you will lose sometimes no matter how good you play. I.e play as well as possible without being a raging emtional monkeytilter

learn then profit? ldo
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10-09-2009 , 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by MadDogFerg
Serious time...

1) no clear patterns as this makes no sense whatsoever
2) you cannot reverse or control this magical patern that you speak of. Or variance
3) understand that you will lose sometimes no matter how good you play. I.e play as well as possible without being a raging emtional monkeytilter

learn then profit? ldo
Thank you sir for posting something useful.
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10-09-2009 , 02:03 AM
If you flip a coin repeatedly you will observe very strange unexplainable variance patterns. Do it and you will be for the wiser.
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10-09-2009 , 06:13 AM
1) the clearest pattern I see in MTT's regarding variance is that, when you do get knocked out it's usually due to an underdog catching his card(s). To win a MTT you have to dodge a handfull of these situations and the chance you dodge them all is not that great.
2) there are some things you could do but all of them are -EV in the long run (and you would end your MTT's by being blinded off instead of having them ended by receiving bad beats).
3) sample-size is your biggest friend here; as it always is when you want to beat/influence variance.
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10-09-2009 , 11:58 AM
hard to say why most people are asses, I guess online IS pretty close to live... Trying to make some sense here;
Few things, most people will tell you there is no way to beat variance and I think it depends, in the game of poker there are somewhat high variance plays and low variance plays, not sure if this will apply to you since you are getting crushed by underdogs it seems like... just try to put in a great volume and be positive, dont focus on the beats to much as you will probably not remember any major hand you won (since you feel like you deserved to, you were ahead so you should win) the nastiest beats will stay locked up there for eternity.

Furthermore on the being bashed... it might also have a bit to do with the way you phrase your question, Iam not gonna say guys like biggetje or satfat are actually right (they are prolly morons) but asking if you can "reverse variance" would be like asking where to get your free manniez from Dont forget also that the amounts of hands played live is going to be like, 1/10000 from online so the swings will be less "harsh" as in long lasting.... (thats how I allways see it tho... might have just never swong down live =D)

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If you flip a coin repeatedly you will observe very strange unexplainable variance patterns. Do it and you will be for the wiser.
Might sound strange but try this, dont forget the chances of heads/tails is about 50/50, now note down the variations you get and try to translate that into poker, most of the time you are gonna be ahead less then 80% when you get it in, might give you some insight

Last edited by Yakmelk; 10-09-2009 at 12:00 PM. Reason: lulz
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10-09-2009 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by superclean
Really don't know why I post here. All people do is belittle. I admit I am no expert and that is why I am asking for advise. Please, strike educate me with you knowledge instead of insulting me.
Yup welcome to the POS capitol of the poker forum world.
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10-09-2009 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Yakmelk
hard to say why most people are asses, I guess online IS pretty close to live... Trying to make some sense here;
Few things, most people will tell you there is no way to beat variance and I think it depends, in the game of poker there are somewhat high variance plays and low variance plays, not sure if this will apply to you since you are getting crushed by underdogs it seems like... just try to put in a great volume and be positive, dont focus on the beats to much as you will probably not remember any major hand you won (since you feel like you deserved to, you were ahead so you should win) the nastiest beats will stay locked up there for eternity.

Furthermore on the being bashed... it might also have a bit to do with the way you phrase your question, Iam not gonna say guys like biggetje or satfat are actually right (they are prolly morons) but asking if you can "reverse variance" would be like asking where to get your free manniez from Dont forget also that the amounts of hands played live is going to be like, 1/10000 from online so the swings will be less "harsh" as in long lasting.... (thats how I allways see it tho... might have just never swong down live =D)

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This;

Might sound strange but try this, dont forget the chances of heads/tails is about 50/50, now note down the variations you get and try to translate that into poker, most of the time you are gonna be ahead less then 80% when you get it in, might give you some insight
Thank you for this. Maybe I was not clear. I know you cant reverse variance. The question was that if there is indeed a pattern of variance on line, and if it is an action/reaction trend if there is a way to change it? If there is no pattern then that question is a moot point. Thanks
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10-09-2009 , 05:39 PM
Variance is the same everywhere, for everyone. The trick is to lose less than other players do you when you are beat, and to win more than other players when your hand is good. Also to recognize opportunities to win w/o the best hand. Reading the board and reading hands are the skills that you need to accomplish this.
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10-09-2009 , 05:56 PM
as long as u dont tilt and have a healthy bankroll ur fine, just keep playing
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10-09-2009 , 09:16 PM
FYI: Variance is just what poker players say so they don't feel like Degenerate gamblers. There is Variance in every form or gambling.

Now tilt that's the real enemy.
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10-10-2009 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by davidv1213
man am i sure in for a rude awakening

question.. in HEM where do you find the SD $/100?
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