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The value of hands that can make straights on BW boards The value of hands that can make straights on BW boards

08-29-2016 , 10:25 PM
I've been thinking of this for a while, if, you were playing more loose, that your hands from like t9o all the way to kj may have more value in position against tighter players if they hit their board with like AK and make TPTK..

I guess the question is, in your opinion do these types of hands have more relative value in position against those parts of an oppnonents range, especially if you have a looser image?
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08-29-2016 , 11:08 PM
These are the exact hands that are bad to play against tighter players, because for every one time you hit a straight, you get top pair worse kicker many times.
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08-30-2016 , 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
These are the exact hands that are bad to play against tighter players, because for every one time you hit a straight, you get top pair worse kicker many times.
Tight players generally don't get outplayed by opponents, they are fit or fold and if you are up against them with weaker 'similar' holdings then you are in for a long day. You are looking for coolers and in lots of cases you wont get paid off when you hit since the board is wet and scares off the tighter player.

That being said, if you do have position on a tight player who is also very passive then it doesn't really matter what you hold if you can generate some folds from them when they miss. The problem with this idea is that generally you need to be multi-way and you now have to worry about if the other players connected with boards that don't generally connect with the tight player's range.

At most tables I don't find 'the need' to get involved with the nit/tight guys since I can find enough play in other pots. Why mess around with guys who aren't going to put those chips back into play? GL
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08-30-2016 , 11:20 AM
With the exception of the button, there's just never a situation in which I'm looking to add nut-making hands and don't have suited cards from which to choose. I'd rather add T8s than T9o.
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08-30-2016 , 01:13 PM
BW meaning Broadway?

Offsuit Broadway hands do very badly against tight players, since you won't be able to semi-bluff successfully very often, and you're usually dominated or drawing to a chop.
Hands like KJ, AJ, QT, AT are called "trouble hands" for a reason. KJ is even known as the "rookie hand". Fold pre.
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08-30-2016 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
BW meaning Broadway?

Offsuit Broadway hands do very badly against tight players, since you won't be able to semi-bluff successfully very often, and you're usually dominated or drawing to a chop.
Hands like KJ, AJ, QT, AT are called "trouble hands" for a reason. KJ is even known as the "rookie hand". Fold pre.
You've misread. The question is whether making hands that make straights (e.g. T9o) is good against a player who will make broadway pairs on the same boards.
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08-30-2016 , 03:28 PM
The problem is what this will do to your preflop calling range. You'll be dealt T9o three times as often as T9s. If you're always calling with those offsuit hands you're going to lose more money when you can't continue than you win by the times you make 2 pair or better.
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08-30-2016 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by FalseProfit
You've misread. The question is whether making hands that make straights (e.g. T9o) is good against a player who will make broadway pairs on the same boards.
OP asked about the unsuited connectors from T9o -> KJo, so that very much overlays on the range of offsuit Broadways.
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08-30-2016 , 06:44 PM
There's a saying in PLO that I don't see much in NLHE that applies the case of playing hands like QT or KJ looking to hit straights: Your outs are busy.

What it means is that against tight players, they already are holding some of the cards you need to make your hand. Therefore, you aren't going to hit quite as often as you would think. I'd much rather be playing 75o than KJo. On a K86 board, AK is never going to worry if a 4 comes on the turn.
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08-30-2016 , 06:54 PM
only if you can really outplay someone can you spot them such an advantage on hand strength.
otherwise you dont win enough of those hands you improve to as he hits an even better one too often.

too tight players that dont bet when they miss the flop are easy to take pots from. otherwise you need to stay away from them.
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