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03-30-2010 , 05:50 AM

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RoosterCAD

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Beating the micros is easy..............................when you have hands and put in a lot volume.

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03-30-2010 , 09:10 AM

#27

mojo6911

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Originally Posted by Jimbo_Mac82

This thread is fail central.

For the OP:

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03-30-2010 , 12:18 PM

#28

aznxray

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Originally Posted by Shandrax

There is some point to it after all. Good players play the style that you know from TV. You think you have an idea about what they are doing and you think you should be able to achieve good results by just copying that.

The problem is that against seemingly clueless microstakes players you never know where you are. Hand-reading is out of the window. Moves don't work because they call you down with deuces. You basically play the value of your hand and hope that it is best. You know that value betting is key, but they can make good hands also....and it is extremely frustrating to get stacked by a complete idiot.

I am not saying that it is tough to beat microstakes, you just cannot do it with the patterns that you see on PAD or HSP. It requires a different style.

The style you see on tv. Those players are impossible to read. Don't act like you know what they are doing because you can see their cards

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03-30-2010 , 12:40 PM

#29

uppie_

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03-30-2010 , 12:53 PM

#30

Ligic

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Beating the micros is hard because they always call me.

Oh wait.

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03-30-2010 , 12:55 PM

#31

Lego05

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Originally Posted by birdsin2010

some people have addressed it in here and others have tried to say it doesn't exist. but i agree that the microstakes are very difficult to near impossible to beat compared to middle level stakes. i'm talking .01/.02 or .05/.10 to $1/$2 or up a little. the biggest factor: good luck bluffing a $.45 pot. you get called by bottom pair, etc.

There's a pretty easy way to exploit players who call you too much and turn their calling too much into a way for you make a lot of money:

Step 1: Stop bluffing

Step 2: ....... Guess. How do you think you will make money from people who call too much?

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03-30-2010 , 12:57 PM

#32

jim_money

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This is hilarious and sad at the same time. At least we know the games will never be dead right?

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03-30-2010 , 01:18 PM

#33

vlee89

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I laugh at threads like this even if the OP is sarcastic cause there will always be beginners and donks who think like this. It's cute actually... "I can't beat the low limit games so I'm going to move up cause they are easier!" wut?

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03-30-2010 , 02:03 PM

#34

Robert Coffa

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Originally Posted by vlee89

Yeah, I must admit you are absolutely right.

Now, when one poker player (particularly good one, a winning player) hears that statement two things must come to mind:

One: Hah, yet another meal.. yummy..

and Two: But hey.. (maybe) I was the same back in the days, made that mistake once and lost all my roll.. if only someone told me that would happen, I wouldnt have gone in a place where supposedly "my raises are respected" hmm..

So, even if there is no substitute for self-experience - I usually warn others attempting that foolish move that its futile - if one listens or not, its not my job.

Rob

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03-30-2010 , 02:03 PM

#35

theaddicane

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Anyone who knows anything about poker knows that it's rubbish to think that opponents mistakes are bad for you.

Correct Bankroll + Not Tilting + Value Betting = Beat Microstakes.

Sometimes you actually do take a bad beat, or you get sucked out on, but these stakes are super soft if you play correctly. I've actually learned a fair bit from simply spending time playing, then analyzing losing/winning hands at these stakes. 70% of the time I find that I could have played a hand a bit better when I lose a pot.

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03-30-2010 , 02:21 PM

#36

RoosterCAD

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Originally Posted by Lego05

ummm value bet..........................wait you need a hand to do that with

DOH!

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03-30-2010 , 02:23 PM

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mmac900

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As someone who is close to moving up to small stakes, I have to agree somewhat with this. Sure the regs are better at higher stakes, but its not so illogical like in the micros where most ppl dont know wtf they are doing.

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03-30-2010 , 02:26 PM

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TBobLP

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Originally Posted by RoosterCAD

ummm value bet..........................wait you need a hand to do that with

DOH!

then how about you wait for a hand??

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03-30-2010 , 02:29 PM

#39

shotgut

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I play 10-25nl and It's packed with tight regs.. not all of them are good ofc.. but they make it harder for u... and I haven't played decent amount of hands on 50nl but for those few k I have I've seen bigger fishes and more light call down...

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03-30-2010 , 02:33 PM

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PunkFloyd510

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I agree, it sucks playing people who won't fold, I insta shove any broadway flop with 45o and they call me with deuces, and if I get aces I check it down so they don't have a chance to suck out on me. I wish there was a way to beat these guys....oh well I'll just sell my house and throw some money on FT so I can pwn people like Ivey.

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03-30-2010 , 02:49 PM

#41

PunkFloyd510

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Originally Posted by marijuanagaming

They're on call any with a lot of cards so after a while I feel im gambling against myself and then I start thinking "why did I bet so much he was gonna call me anyway with this draw" and I commited myself on the turn.

Also I think it is easier to win in the long run with a solid strategy if they do respect your bets. I mean, i'd rather gamble against QQ than A9 when im all in preflop with kings.

If someone could answer my post I would be very glad about it.

Its not.

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03-30-2010 , 02:50 PM

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marijuanagaming

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thx Punk your clear answer makes me think about it but still I want an answer on this :

They're on call any with a lot of cards so after a while I feel im gambling against myself and then I start thinking "why did I bet so much he was gonna call me anyway with this draw" but I commited myself on the turn and now I need to put the rest in even if this is not the best river in the world.

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03-30-2010 , 03:09 PM

#43

quux

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Originally Posted by smiso24

is that they are much harder than higher stakes.

I used to believe the same thing. I was severely mistaken.

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Originally Posted by smiso24

Chris Ferguson has said that learning to beat the microstakes is much harder than higher limits. I agree with him.

Do you have a source for this?

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03-30-2010 , 03:13 PM

#44

DiamondDog

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Originally Posted by uppie_

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Excellent.

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03-30-2010 , 03:33 PM

#45

RoosterCAD

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Originally Posted by TBobLP

then how about you wait for a hand??

I do wait but even when I hit a hand it doesnt compensate for all the folding I do.

DUCY?

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03-30-2010 , 03:43 PM

#46

wellju

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Originally Posted by RoosterCAD

I do wait but even when I hit a hand it doesnt compensate for all the folding I do.

DUCY?

It was mentioned that they call down with every thing. That includes weak flush draws, the lower-end straight draws, gutshots, middle pair, the stonecold nuts ...

You don't need a boat every time to beat them.
When you beat top pair, you're on the safe side.

You can actually stack people with marginal holdings, so it does make up for all the folding.

You just have to find the right bet sizing, playing very straight forward, don't "exploit" the fish too much, it can backfire because they check back with nuts also.

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03-30-2010 , 03:45 PM

#47

TBobLP

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Originally Posted by RoosterCAD

I do wait but even when I hit a hand it doesnt compensate for all the folding I do.

DUCY?

nope i dont CY, because it doesnt make sense. If you are playing a bunch of stations and cant get paid of enough to compensate for your folding when youre beat then YOU are doing something wrong. DUCY? maybe you are playing too many hands. tighten up and play in position more, value bet a little more thinly when you are crushing their wide ranges.

your posts make it seem like you are unaware that the micros have been figured out, which they have. maybe you just need to learn more about how to beat them instead of complaining

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03-30-2010 , 04:02 PM

#48

pasgentil

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If someone can't beat a loose, how could he beat an intermediate player!
I used to play micro when I was having hard time in the middle level to get back to the middle level with a decent BR. It's a matter of reading every player at the table, you always adapt your play to the one facing you... that's the way I'm doing in micro and that works; you don't need to think a lot in order to achieve this!

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03-30-2010 , 04:32 PM

#49

Lego05

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Originally Posted by RoosterCAD

ummm value bet..........................wait you need a hand to do that with

Correct.

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03-30-2010 , 04:37 PM

#50

kenshin93

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Originally Posted by RoosterCAD

A lot times I find myself saying "I must suck at poker" because I cant begin to put these loose-bad players on hands.

I have 88 on the BTN make a standard raise

Stop over-playing middle pairs. That's a big leak right there.

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