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06-20-2010 , 09:02 AM
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Standard to fold the turn.

Lol at all the irrelevant theory debates.
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06-20-2010 , 05:29 PM
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Why are we calling a 3bet with AK IP if we don't plan to get it in on a A high flop? Might as well fold preflop or 4bet/call. Although I admit the Q and J make this super gay for you.

What if the flop came A29 and the turn comes an 7? Are you people still folding?

I also want to say 16/10 over 75 is too small. I've seen people spew here when they get impatient and think they are going to get a lot of credit because they play so tight.
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06-20-2010 , 09:49 PM
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I'm open to changing my mind if you can help me see why.
Because a guy playing 16/10, even over a small sample, is 3 betting for value here. His value range is mostly weighted towards nutted hands. I doubt this guy is ever 3 betting even AQ, which still has us crushed, BTW. Unless we have a read that he is a total spewtard (which he doesn't appear to be), at best we are chopping and at worst we are drawing to a T.


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Why are we calling a 3bet with AK IP if we don't plan to get it in on a A high flop? Might as well fold preflop or 4bet/call. Although I admit the Q and J make this super gay for you.

What if the flop came A29 and the turn comes an 7? Are you people still folding?
Of course not.
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06-20-2010 , 10:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by noobsickle
Why are we calling a 3bet with AK IP if we don't plan to get it in on a A high flop? Might as well fold preflop or 4bet/call. Although I admit the Q and J make this super gay for you.

What if the flop came A29 and the turn comes an 7? Are you people still folding?
No our equity is greatly improved on a board as such.

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I also want to say 16/10 over 75 is too small. I've seen people spew here when they get impatient and think they are going to get a lot of credit because they play so tight.
That doesn't change the fact that we can think every 16/10 villain does this.
We have no further reads on this tight player to say he spews or goes out of line at all so we have to go with what we know.
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06-20-2010 , 11:21 PM
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Because a guy playing 16/10, even over a small sample, is 3 betting for value here. His value range is mostly weighted towards nutted hands. I doubt this guy is ever 3 betting even AQ, which still has us crushed, BTW. Unless we have a read that he is a total spewtard (which he doesn't appear to be), at best we are chopping and at worst we are drawing to a T.
Is the villain ever leading this flop with KK or JJ?

Edit: And are we folding this flop if his range is that tight?

What are we doing if we call and the turn is a 4 and he {checks, shoves}?
What about a K and he {checks, shoves}?
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06-20-2010 , 11:25 PM
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Is the villain ever leading this flop with KK or JJ?
Not likely.
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06-20-2010 , 11:26 PM
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Not likely.
So we fold flop?
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06-20-2010 , 11:57 PM
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So we fold flop?
No, because he has exactly 1 combo that beats us, 3 that we're splitting with and a nonzero amount of bluffs. Like if he 3bet bluffs 0.5% of the time and follows up on flop and turn we still have 50% against his range.
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