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07-05-2017 , 03:41 PM
BB: 173.8 BB (VPIP: 22.59, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 7.84, Hands: 275)

UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 22.66, 3Bet Preflop: 17.39, Hands: 132)

Hero (MP): 156 BB


SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Kh Ad
UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 8 BB, UTG calls 6 BB

Flop : (27.4 BB, 3 players) Kc 3h 8h
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 14 BB, fold, UTG calls 14 BB

Turn : (55.4 BB, 2 players) Kd
UTG checks, Hero checks

River : (55.4 BB, 2 players) Qd
UTG bets 40 BB

Hello this is my first post on 2+2. Some of my thoughts I want to address:

- what do you feel about my preflop 3bet? I don't like calling here.
- I believe opponent can have pocket 8s here due to getting good odds to call after BB calls my 3bet. Also lots of implied odds of stacking me when he hits a set. However he is out of position so he may decide to fold this, let me know what you think.
- I don't like my turn check and I think i like betting here better. I can get value from KQs and maybe AA he decides to trap (although this is highly unlikely at 5NL). I can also set myself up for a river jam which I like too.
- I believe he could call one street with QQ here, very likely imo although my preflop 3bet and bet into 2 people on the flop is very strong maybe he folds it?
- He snap bet the river for 40BB. Let me know what you guys would do.
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07-05-2017 , 04:05 PM
Pre-flop seems standard. I'd immediately put the BB on JJ/TT when he flats.

Hardly anyone at 5NLz realises this, but the flop should be a check back or a very small bet, because you have so much fold equity when you go bigger, partly because villains put you on AK very often, and partly because they usually have underpairs to the king.
Both players have QQ-TT pretty often (sometimes another AK), so you're crushing them so hard that it's good practice to check back top pair and get your value later. (e.g. by calling bluffs).
As played, I'm not sure why you're checking the turn. You've got top trips in a 3-bet pot, which is your 2nd best possible hand (you have 1 combo of quads in your range). Bet again for value, and you can either go for quarter pot or half pot, planning to stack on all rivers, or just jam 1.4x pot right away.

The Q on the river is pretty bad, because QQ got there, but you don't get to this river and fold. Snap call villain's bet, hoping he's chopping or spewing, and hasn't somehow found the dream card for QQ or KQss. Don't shove. He doesn't call with worse.
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07-05-2017 , 04:54 PM
Check flop, bet turn, snap river.

Or just read Arty's post twice instead.

Edit

Having TPTK in your checking range does funny things, e.g. villains who are never calling two streets will bet two streets instead because 'obviously' you can't have AK or you would have bet.

Or people will realise that you DO have it in your range, which is fine because it makes it much tougher for them to fire multiple streets just because you checked. That helps the rest of your checking range because now you tend to get a free card or two when you are behind.
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07-06-2017 , 09:59 AM
Yeah, I forgot to mention the additional reason for checking back is to "protect" your QQ from being bluffed off the pot. You've got to have something that can happily call turn and river, and AK does that just fine. (With KK and AA you should often bet small on the flop, and balance those with A5s/A4s or whatever bluffs you have. AK/KQs/QQ are all reasonable hands to check back).

P.S. OP might think this is a "tough spot" because he's unused to playing 3-way 3-bet pots, but as played the river is incredibly simple. You have one of the best possible hands to hold in this spot, so there's no real decision. You can't fold, that's for sure! Raise with boats, call with trips, fold everything else (including aces, probably).
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07-06-2017 , 11:27 AM
Thanks for your answers guys.
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