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11-09-2009 , 08:32 PM
When facing a standard raise (3xbb) on button or cut-off holding suited connectors or 22 - 88. What is best line? Call, raise, fold? This is 6max 10NL. My stats are 17/8 and Im figuring this is because I am just calling in this spot. I would prefer my pfr be higher like 14, or am I on the correct line? What is a solid vpip/pfr for 8 tabling? I know this is player dependant but suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks
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11-09-2009 , 08:42 PM
I would suggest with Pocket Pairs that you flat call and set mine. But you must first take into account your Villains stack size. If he isn't bough in for at least 10x the initial raise I wouldn't bother set mining against him. Just my .02
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11-09-2009 , 09:09 PM
Good to see that you aware there is too much of discrepancy between your VPIP and PFR. Most winning players have less than a 3% difference. Try raising to 30/40 cents with hands you normally open limp with.

Perhaps you should look to occasionally 3 bet with some of these speculative hands such as 67s, 89s etc as part of your bluff range. As far as small pairs go you can either call and set mine or fold depending on your opponent's stack/tendencies. Heads up with 77+ you should mostly be re-raising with imo.
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11-09-2009 , 09:13 PM
for 6 max 8 tabling i would consider solid stats to be around 20/18/6 in general. Having said that, I am aware that there is some insanity at NL10 so maybe play a bit tighter like 17/13/4.
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11-09-2009 , 09:56 PM
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When facing a standard raise (3xbb) on button or cut-off holding suited connectors or 22 - 88. What is best line? Call, raise, fold? This is 6max 10NL. My stats are 17/8 and Im figuring this is because I am just calling in this spo
You vpip pfr difference isn't wide bceause of calling in this spot. Calling here is perfectly okay if you have odds to set mine.

You are simply not raising enough hands when it is folded to you. It would help if you post what hands you raise from each position if it is unopened to you.

eg what hands do you open UTG? and on the button?

Only raising 8% of hands pretty insane at 6max. A 14% range is still too nitty, but at 10NL you might be able to get away with it, but you are lowering your win rate by folding many playable hands.

Just look at fees' 6max guide it has opening ranges. I'm pretty sure you are doing crazy stuff like folding or limping low pocket pairs when it is folded to you because single digit pfr at 6max is surely not enough to overcome the blinds...
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11-09-2009 , 10:35 PM
Ya I figured I had a leak here, thats why I posted this, I usually am pretty tight undergun raising only with 99+ ak, suited or not, and aj, aq suited only. From Button if unraised to me, any PP, any suited ace, any double paint, any suited connector, raising with these from button, rarely limp otherwise folding marginal and garbage hands. Same from cutoff exept maybe two paint cards unsuited Id fold. Im never folding low pocket pairs in any spot unraised to me, but yes limping from ug to 2nd cutoff, and calling standard raises, OOP (this is a no, no right). Tell me the optimum way to play here, because I know Im missing something and I want to become better. Thanks everyone.
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11-09-2009 , 11:36 PM
UTG raise wider, e.g. any pocket pair, ATs/AJo, KQ, some suited connectors. Yes, any pocket pair from UTG. Just get in a habit of never open limping. If you don't want to raise then just fold. But I'd say you can "fix" your VPIP by simply raising all the hands you currently limp.

Similarly your button range is too tight. You should aim for opening around 40% of hands from the button when it's folded to you. Realize that's approaching half of all hands, so it includes a lot of trashy low cards. That should be your default range, and you should only tighten up if you start getting played back at by the blinds a ton. It's okay if they call because cold calling from the blinds a bunch is spew on their part, but if there's an aggro guy who 3-bets you a bunch then you can tighten up to the range you gave.
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11-09-2009 , 11:39 PM
6 handed it's nice to 3 bet them often, it's a nice play and can get you a really nice payout by hittin hard b/c they wont expect it along with the cbet where u can just take the pot down
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11-10-2009 , 01:31 AM
I call more than I 3bet. 3betting destroys a lot of your implied odds, unless you don't have enough in the first place and villain folds to a lot of 3bets, in which case 3bet.
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11-10-2009 , 02:03 AM
Everytime im in this situation with a small pocket pair i absolutely always call. If you flop a set you will generally get the other guy all-in at some point and take down a big pot. If you dont hit anything, you didnt lose much. Try not to bluff it, i usually just lay it down. Youve got position, you can set the guy up pretty good.
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11-10-2009 , 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by dillingerdisco7
Everytime im in this situation with a small pocket pair i absolutely always call. If you flop a set you will generally get the other guy all-in at some point and take down a big pot. If you dont hit anything, you didnt lose much. Try not to bluff it, i usually just lay it down. Youve got position, you can set the guy up pretty good.
That isn't good either. You should 3bet small pairs when your fold equity is better than your implied odds. Eg, vs button raises, it's not going to be profitable calling with 22 to set mine because he's not going to have a hand to pay you off enough of the time. So you should either have a plan to somehow continue when you don't flop a set, or 3bet him right there. 3betting is the better option, especially if button steals a bit too much and doesn't defend 3bets enough.
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11-10-2009 , 02:57 AM
When you are on the button, you have to think of CO as your little b**ch and smack him around a bit. Whether you are 3-betting or floating him, you have to let him know that the button is yours and he can't get away with open raising anything but premium hands. Whatever hands you feel like using to accomplish this is fine, as long as you have some equity against a range of like AQ, QQ-TT when called. Suited connectors, pocket pairs, suited aces all have around 30% equity against that range, so you aren't in bad shape plus you have position and initiative. Mix up floating and 3-betting depending on how he adjusts to you.
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11-10-2009 , 03:44 AM
Thanks all, I played 1k hands tonight and rarely limped, I opened my range and raised wider from button, always raised pps, 3 bet bigger pockets 88-AA, defended my button from cutoff, amazing how he folds when you 3 bet back. From undergun I raised with big hands as well as suited paint. Only shiity thing is my poker copilot trial ran out today so I have no idea what my stats were. Gonna buy it tommorow, unless anybody else knows something better for mac. Up 2BI though so thats one nice stat. Definetly felt like I was tougher to play though.
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11-10-2009 , 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by VanIsleRyan
Thanks all, I played 1k hands tonight and rarely limped, I opened my range and raised wider from button, always raised pps, 3 bet bigger pockets 88-AA, defended my button from cutoff, amazing how he folds when you 3 bet back. From undergun I raised with big hands as well as suited paint. Only shiity thing is my poker copilot trial ran out today so I have no idea what my stats were. Gonna buy it tommorow, unless anybody else knows something better for mac. Up 2BI though so thats one nice stat. Definetly felt like I was tougher to play though.
nothing better for the mac. but get bootcamp and then HEM.
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11-10-2009 , 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Combat Waitress
That isn't good either. You should 3bet small pairs when your fold equity is better than your implied odds. Eg, vs button raises, it's not going to be profitable calling with 22 to set mine because he's not going to have a hand to pay you off enough of the time. So you should either have a plan to somehow continue when you don't flop a set, or 3bet him right there. 3betting is the better option, especially if button steals a bit too much and doesn't defend 3bets enough.
+1

I would add that how much you call or raise depends on their perception of you. Over the course of a session you can begin with 3betting a lot and then when people begin adjusting your weaker range then move to only 3betting premiums.
Also if you are viewed as agro then I don't think its profitable to be calling behind with 54s,79s and other super speculative hands heads up unless you are a fairly accomplished postflop player. So I don't think at 10NL should be doing every time, especially since it dilutes your calling and raising range with too many weak hands.
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