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01-13-2010 , 06:24 AM
I'm not really sure what this term means. Who can explain and perhaps supply their favorite example ?

Last edited by Rapini; 01-13-2010 at 01:01 PM. Reason: Moved from B&M to Beginners Questions.
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01-13-2010 , 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Joerii
I'm not really sure what this term means. Who can explain and perhaps supply their favorite example ?
if someone believes in "soulreads" then I have a brooklyn bridge for sale.

This is where you just totally read what the ohter player is doing... so be it, do you think this will happen veyr often?

It's really balderdash. It's like convincing yourself you can make a winning run at blackjack or craps, professional gamblers love people to buy into this nonsense.

Occasionally i make a "soulread", I've never called that using that term, but it's like seeing through all the errors the opponent makes, so what. Over the long term your stack isn't going to be based on soulreads, more gibberish if you ask me.

Don't buy into this distraction, focus on making your own game better. in the long run you'll make alot more money that way than 'soulreading"
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01-13-2010 , 10:29 AM
some might consider this a soul read:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--Qap3VT_ZY

This would be the opposite of a soul read:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXabs9fciTs
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01-13-2010 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Joerii
I'm not really sure what this term means. Who can explain and perhaps supply their favorite example ?
It basically means you can determine from the opponent's actions exactly what type of hand he has. It is usually used in the connotation of, "I'm way ahead of his typical range, but I know he has the nut hand, so my second nut hand is no good and I fold."

As noted above, bad players will use this justification to fold, remembering when 8 months ago they folded to the best hand. They'll have forgotten about all the other folds they made that cost them a fortune.
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01-13-2010 , 12:20 PM
The term is usually applied restropectively imo
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01-13-2010 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by redcar
The term is usually applied restropectively imo
er....retroACTIVELY FTW
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01-13-2010 , 01:01 PM
Its what make Kenny Tran so sick. Experienced live players can often get a feel for their villains' hand-range pre-flop and come pretty close to their holding.

Last night on PAD, Esfandiari made a great "soul read" on Annette15, calling out her pocket 9's.

It's why people wear glasses and hoodies, to conceal their soul. Looks good when it's right.
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01-13-2010 , 01:15 PM
I remember something from one of TJ Cloutier's books where he read that his opponent had aces preflop and mucked his pocket kings to his opening raise. (If I remember correctly). "Soulreading" is definitely bull for beginners to buy into in a cash game but it's GREAT for TV ratings and "dramatic" NL poker.
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01-13-2010 , 01:39 PM
soul reads exist... tho who are ignorant to it will stay ignorant... but w/e it's not like I need to really convince anyone.
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01-13-2010 , 01:44 PM
I basically look at it as making a play that is incorrect against what you would typically think Villain's range is but is correct against the hand that Villain actually has. As stated above, you might call without the correct odds against a standard range, because you "know" that Villain has the one hand that you beat. Or you might fold even though you are getting the correct odds against a standard range, because you "know" that Villain has the one hand that beats you.

You should really avoid the temptation to put Villain on a single hand and instead try to make the play that maximizes your EV against his range, because if you guess wrong, it can be really expensive, particuarly on the later streets.
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01-13-2010 , 02:07 PM
Ok here is an example of my best soul read. I was playing a 1-2 NLH Short handed game. I held A-10 of spades. I raised it to 7 dollars on the button, and both blinds came along.

The flop:
J-Q-4 rainbow

We checked around, I had played many hands with the other guys in the pot and they knew of my high propencity to C bet. So I checked the flop acually trying to look strong because I had been slow playing a lot of big hands that night.

The Turn:
7 of spades

The small blind checks and the big blind bets $25 into a $21 dollar pot. Now 2 things here, 1 we were playing pretty deep stacked and 2 the bet size seemed really off for this peticular player. So I decided to take one off and reevluate on the river. The SB folds and we go to the river.

River:
offsuit 2

So now I'm left with A high, and neither my draws or any other draw came in. BB bets out $75 into a $71 pot. I tanked for about 5 minutes and he looked so nervous, and I was really thinking he held something in the range of a 5-6 of spades and totally missed. Along with that once again his bet was really off for him. After long consideration I called, in my mind thinking that it was a 90 percent chance he was showing me some type of draw hand that didnt get there.

BB shows down 9-10 and I win a $221 dollar pot with A high.

That was the biggest soul read that I've ever made
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01-13-2010 , 02:42 PM
LMAO I still can't get over that Tilly hand. Their reactions are absolutely priceless. When a soul read goes wrong...
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01-13-2010 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Marathon Eddy
some might consider this a soul read:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--Qap3VT_ZY

This would be the opposite of a soul read:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXabs9fciTs
I knew exactly what each video was before I even clicked. Is that a soul read?
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01-13-2010 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TexArcher
I knew exactly what each video was before I even clicked. Is that a soul read?
You sir, are a soul reader. : )
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01-13-2010 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by mmanpoker
Ok here is an example of my best soul read. I was playing a 1-2 NLH Short handed game. I held A-10 of spades. I raised it to 7 dollars on the button, and both blinds came along.

The flop:
J-Q-4 rainbow

We checked around, I had played many hands with the other guys in the pot and they knew of my high propencity to C bet. So I checked the flop acually trying to look strong because I had been slow playing a lot of big hands that night.

The Turn:
7 of spades

The small blind checks and the big blind bets $25 into a $21 dollar pot. Now 2 things here, 1 we were playing pretty deep stacked and 2 the bet size seemed really off for this peticular player. So I decided to take one off and reevluate on the river. The SB folds and we go to the river.

River:
offsuit 2

So now I'm left with A high, and neither my draws or any other draw came in. BB bets out $75 into a $71 pot. I tanked for about 5 minutes and he looked so nervous, and I was really thinking he held something in the range of a 5-6 of spades and totally missed. Along with that once again his bet was really off for him. After long consideration I called, in my mind thinking that it was a 90 percent chance he was showing me some type of draw hand that didnt get there.

BB shows down 9-10 and I win a $221 dollar pot with A high.

That was the biggest soul read that I've ever made

Cool story bro.
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01-13-2010 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Spraggy
Cool story bro.
LOL you should hear some of the other ones that I thought I was making soul reads. Just remember that one as the best one I made and was right about.
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01-13-2010 , 03:11 PM
here's my soul shove against a 93/65, there were many factors that went in but im too lazy to type em and no one cares.. kool story bruh

Absolute Poker $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 456862
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG): $43.95
MP: $24.49
CO: $43.12
BTN: $24.65
SB: $24.75
BB: $37.04

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with A Q
Hero raises to $0.85, 1 fold, CO raises to $1.45, 3 folds, Hero raises to $6.55, CO calls $5.10

Flop: ($13.45) 5 J 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $13.45, Hero raises to $37.40, CO calls $23.12 all in

Turn: ($86.59) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($86.59) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

HERO shows [As, Qd ]
VILLAIN shows [Qs, Ts ]
HERO wins $83.59 USD from main pot


afterwards the chat box went nuts:

HERO wins $83.59 with Ace high
Hero: omg im so sick
Hero: ahhhh
Villain: u gd stupid mfr
Villain: u bet on that ****
Hero: lol tilty mc tiltster
Villain: u dumb mf
Hero: hahahh YES
Hero: i soul owned you
Villain: hassssss yes
Hero: hwhwhwhwhhwhw
Villain: wait mother ****
Hero: yes?
Villain: i am going to fn get ur fn ass
Hero: hahaha
Hero: i hope you're not mad at me

BLAOW!!!
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01-13-2010 , 03:53 PM
Just an expression, typically used when someone makes an unbelievable call/bet/whatever in regards to the action that has taken place during the hand and ends up being right.
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01-13-2010 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by c00ler
here's my soul shove against a 93/65, there were many factors that went in but im too lazy to type em and no one cares.. kool story bruh

Absolute Poker $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 456862
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG): $43.95
MP: $24.49
CO: $43.12
BTN: $24.65
SB: $24.75
BB: $37.04

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with A Q
Hero raises to $0.85, 1 fold, CO raises to $1.45, 3 folds, Hero raises to $6.55, CO calls $5.10

Flop: ($13.45) 5 J 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $13.45, Hero raises to $37.40, CO calls $23.12 all in

Turn: ($86.59) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($86.59) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

HERO shows [As, Qd ]
VILLAIN shows [Qs, Ts ]
HERO wins $83.59 USD from main pot


afterwards the chat box went nuts:

HERO wins $83.59 with Ace high
Hero: omg im so sick
Hero: ahhhh
Villain: u gd stupid mfr
Villain: u bet on that ****
Hero: lol tilty mc tiltster
Villain: u dumb mf
Hero: hahahh YES
Hero: i soul owned you
Villain: hassssss yes
Hero: hwhwhwhwhhwhw
Villain: wait mother ****
Hero: yes?
Villain: i am going to fn get ur fn ass
Hero: hahaha
Hero: i hope you're not mad at me

BLAOW!!!
Thats not a soul read, you made a move on the flop and got called in a situation where your opponent couldn't fold almost any range they could have
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01-13-2010 , 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mmanpoker
Thats not a soul read, you made a move on the flop and got called in a situation where your opponent couldn't fold almost any range they could have
no
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01-13-2010 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by c00ler
no
you dont think so getting 2.7:1? The CO in that hand basically pot commited themselves when they potted the flop unless they had total air or an underpair to the board

Edit 2.7:1

Last edited by mmanpoker; 01-13-2010 at 11:40 PM.
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01-13-2010 , 11:38 PM
i mean i see what you're saying but hes 93/65 there was so much more that went into the hand at that moment in time, i dont give him credit for any hand
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01-13-2010 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by c00ler
i mean i see what you're saying but hes 93/65 there was so much more that went into the hand at that moment in time, i dont give him credit for any hand
Ok I get that, your saying you werent making a move when you pushedm you had the read that you were good.
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01-14-2010 , 12:01 AM
yeah i stoved it a week or so ago and gave him a generous range as well as a more narrow one and i was only like 60 40 dog.
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01-14-2010 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by c00ler
i mean i see what you're saying but hes 93/65 there was so much more that went into the hand at that moment in time, i dont give him credit for any hand
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Originally Posted by mmanpoker
Ok I get that, your saying you werent making a move when you pushedm you had the read that you were good.
well, he has zero in fold equity not just because of what villain showed, but because villain never folds here. So, he must have not only had soul read, but know his 55/45 was going to hold.
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