I'd love to be proven wrong, but I don't see how setmining can be profitable. Obviously there are a lot of variables, but let's say on average, everyone has 100bb stacks, and you are playing a pure fit or fold strategy. So I guess I'm talking about stuff like 22-99. Also, I'm assuming a 4bb+1bb per limper preflop open. How many callers do you need before this is profitable? I mean if you get one caller, and you opened from UTG, and you're only flopping a set 1 in 10 times, you would have to make 9x4 or 36bb every time you flop a set. How often are you getting someone to pay you off that well? I mean you would need to basically shove and get called at least 1 in 3 times right? The little winnings wouldn't add up enough, and you're still going to get coolered every once in a while, set over set, flushes and straights, etc. So is setmining profitable?

And I'm open to criticism, that's why I posted, but keep in mind this is the beginners forum, so "lol donk" and "obv level" really aren't appreciated.

When you're set mining you don't want to open 4bb+1, unless you have a high pocket pair and you want to milk the pot for value for set over set hands. Even when you do have a high PP, you want to open like 2-3bb.

You also obviously can't ONLY set mine to win.

So do you want a cheaper, more multiway pot? It seems you're more likely to be beat even with a set in that kind of situation.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...-pairs-785339/

Well you wouldn't get your money in unless you think you have the nuts. Eg if you have 88 and the flop is 2 3 8 of hearts then you don't want to get a lot of money in unless the board pairs. You can stack off against a lot of straights and flushes this way.

Also a set is usually the nuts. You can usually win a lot against two pair or TPTK.

set mining like that isn't profitable for the reason you said. Luckily we have a few more moves in our arsenal like cbeting and even winning a few uncontested showdowns

You don't want to get a lot of money in in that spot???????

10% means you need to get their entire stack every time you hit if you're folding when you miss. After rake that's a losing play....

That was probably a bad example. I just mean that if you're sure the villain has turned a straight then you don't want to get a lot of money in until the board pairs.

You have to be able to make reads and play the pair vs opponents range as well. This takes practice. But overall in all the moicros set mining is profitable. I open all pp in all positions unless i have a 3 bet monkey to my left.

But if the board pairs, you could be stacking off to quads.

Set mining is different from being the preflop raiser iyam.

When you have initiative preflop you should be profitable without showdown so it doesnt matter what you have.

Set mining afaik is more when flatting pre to flop a set fit or fold. Set mining for 10% of effective stacks is silly. Search the 5/10 rule.

Set mining is profitable in the right spots, filter your pt3/hem for when you called pre with low pps.

Unless you have quads

Set mining is very profitable.

1. You dont hit your set 1/10. You hit your set 1/8

2. When you open early with a low PP. You may win the pot uncontested, you may win it with a flop Cbet, or you could hit your set on the flop, or turn, in case he called your Cbet.

3. When you raise with low PP, you increase your overall activity, wich may make it more likely people will call your raises when you have premium hands.

4. When you call a raise IP with a low PP, you can often stack fish off who are willing to come AI with a top pair.

5. Low PP are in general pretty easy to play, because its mostly you hit or you dont.

This. I've noticed that I'm much more profitable since I started open raising pre with 55+ near the button and 77+ everywhere. There's no point in limping because you won't win much if you do hit your set. Always go for value.

quadmining is hugely profitable, ldo.

OP, you aren't ever playing fit or fold with a pair postflop and certainly not if you are the one who opened. For strictly setmining you need your opponent to have a tight range to be profitable.