hi, i am relatively new to poker.. only play for 7 month.
i play 0,5 / 1 $ limit hold em and have been making like a couple hundred bucks a month on pokerstars and celeb poker (where i now withdrew my money completly / startet at full tilt today).

well here is my problem and i don t know how to handle this or if i am doing something wrong.

i play 3-8 hours a day

and in the last 1,5 weeks i lost 120$ on celeb and only today 110$ on full tilt..
considering that my bankroll is only 800$ this is quite a lot. for 1,5 weeks.
i lost about 80% to bad beats... i lost with straights, flush, even full house.. or two pair to set on the river
you name it.

it just is strange and i don´t know how to handle this. it really kicks my ass.
i feel like the world is against me.. i think you know how it is.
the other week on celeb i lost 1000$ to unbelievable bad beats (i had a bigger bankroll then).

it almost killed me not understanding the why.
i analysed it a little and figured out some mistakes i made, but there where so many hands where you just don´t have a chance..

example:
ME: AA
He: 68 off suit
i raise, he reraises, i rereraise
flop: A 5 9 (rainbow)
i bet, he raise, i reraise
turn Q
i bet, he call
river 7
i bet, he raise, i call
some would say, don´t bet the river i guess, but the way e played he surely didn´t make me believe he could have that straight.. i put him on a 9
given that i saw him reraise me with pocket 3 once (and there were only face cards on the board)
some might say, happens... but if something like this happens over and over again, i don´t know what to do... can one adjust to this?

help me, i am steaming big time here

Okay, you're making $200 a month playing 3-8 hours a day? You should probably step down in stakes...

You put him on a 9 after all that? What the hell?

You took one beat, move on... I doubt you 'remembered' that hand correctly.

Is this a level?

Dude ... start with not playing at all for 2 weeks. Then come back and re-read your post.

You can start by finding a new forum. The guys here are as helpful as a dick in your ass. Notice how they blame you for it?

Anyways good luck. If I had some advice from the "community" i would pass it along but whenever you post something they have snide remarks and think they are the greatest. thats why they are all sitting here at home when the WSOP is in vegas right now.

Cause they are the greatest.

your thinking is pretty heteronormative, sir.


did you even read the OP? did you read my post? he spends 3-8h A DAY doing something that apparently influences his well being? Are you seriously suggesting that he should not take responsibility for changing that?


FWIW, 200 BB swings in LHE is pretty expected.

i feel you m8... i take my beats pretty badly aswell.. but the thing that keep me moving forward is that i am objective about myself and the situations i am in... dude that was a bad beat... just remeber that other 7 times he wont make nothing on river...but i must admit that i do not understand how bad can it be in limit where you like lose few BB while in NL you lose perhaps your whole stack you had been grinding for a hour or 2... try NL and once you ll get back to limit it should be less painfull...

You realize he lost a 13 BB pot to the most ourageous suckout right (villan couldn't have played his hand worse with a gun to his head) -- thats 1300 hands worth of 1BB/100 wich is not that bad at this level.

Mineshaft, you talk as if anyone gives a ****.

Misread OP didn't see that he said limit. Disregard my advice, I haven't played limit much.

But still pretty ridiculous to put him on a 9.

Bruzer

^

Your bank roll is too small to play .5/1. Even limit. Step down in level.

It's not a bad idea in general to step down in level for a little bit when you start at a new site. Things are new. Get comfortable playing then move back up.

Come back up to .5/1 when you have around 1k.

hey guys, some of you where helpful.
to clear things up.
i not only put him on a 9 but maybe to pair... what ever, i had a set of Aces..
and yes i know it is only one bad beat... but i lost $230 to things like that.. on pokerstars i always play 0,5 / 1 limit holdem and make a profit of $350 a month.. as well as before on celeb (it is not a lot, but $700 a month(for two month now) is a beginning).
i went by the rule 300BB to play a limit.
but no one really had any tips on how to handle a swing like that and what to look for to make these swings smaller.

Ignore my earlier post. Your BR is large enough for 0.5/1 limit, but I still recommend dropping down a level until you feel confident in your game at the new site. Shouldn't take long.

i will do just that, especially since i went from 400 to 285 BR in one day... i will play a week or so on 0,25 / 0,5
but your post was helpful thanks

but how do you handle 2 week downswings like that?

i play 28-30K hands a month..

like i said, i am a beginner, but i have won enough to be hot
i read 3 books so far (3 times each book)
small stakes holdem - sklansky, malmuth, miller
winning low limit hold em - lee jones
ace on the river - greenstein

i started now with
power holdem strategy - negreanu

i really like the book so far. would you advise a beginner like me to go to NL or is FL still the best choice for beginners?

The choice of playing limit or NL just depends on what you like to play. Limit has less variance, so it's often recommended when you start.

Personally, I don't like limit, so I play NL.

here is my help

Party Poker $200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $214.55
UTG: $262.45
MP: $64.20
CO: $211.35
BTN: $314.15
Hero (SB): $198.00

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with 4 4
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, CO raises to $9, BTN calls $9, Hero calls $8, 2 folds

Flop: ($31.00) 4 A T (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $26.00, BTN folds, Hero raises to $109, CO raises to $202.35, Hero calls $93.35

Turn: ($435.70) 8 (2 players)

River: ($435.70) 8 (2 players)



just gotta plow on

I was told limit had more variace?

Losing is:

1. Variance
2. Poor play

or a combination of the two.

So quick recommendations:

1. Take a week or two off of playing and re-read SSHE. Recycle the Lee Jones book, or maybe burn it.

2. Post and participate in the microlimit forum. Read the sticky and find the posts on variances, downswings, etc.

3. Take a look at your stats and compare them to the posts in the sticky and the microlimit stats thread. If you have a 10k sample, post in the stats thread if you want feedback on your stats.

4. Review some of your sessions. Your losing hands, your winning hands, random hands, whatever. But review your sessions. Sign up for the July session review in the microlimit forum.

5. If you find hands where you're lost during the session review, post one or two of them and learn from the discussion.

6. Don't whine about bad beats since you should be happy you're playing against players that are so bad.

hey guys, u were pretty helpful, thanks!
the lee jones book i only borrowed it. small stakes hold em is like a bible though.

i now read a lot of things about BR management and decided to grind a little in 0,25 / 0,5 limit hold em.
i heard negreanu say, that if he was to start all over, he would be grinding in limit holdem to build a BR.

by the way, in limit hold em the variance is bigger..
in NL you can lose a BI in one hand while in limit you lose it slowly and sometimes don´t even realize it having like 50 BB on the table.

what do you think is best to grind.
short handed or full ring?
since i read SSHE i am better at full ring.
but yesterday i received dave fromms 3dvd set for short handed limit and started studying immidiatly. it is a total different animal though. but a lot of fun.
i was laughing a lot. because all the hand i thought crappy became 3bet hands all of a sudden.

one other thing. i have two goals:
1. build a BR
2. earn around $200 a month

i make around $35 a day.
$30/day= $900/month - $200
15 on stars
15 on ftilt
on avg.

is that a too high cash out?
should i build first and than cash out when i have a big roll?

i go on rushes on 100$ on one site sometimes and then like wednesday i lose 110 again...

Sad thing he is right.
If I was you I'd either
1) move on. I lost 500 to a 23 when I had AA in the hole and he went all in preflop... He said his "cat hit the all in button on accident" (there isn't a all in button where I play).
2) Just play at lower tables for a bit until you build your bank back up and then get back in there. Every one has their weeks of good and bad.
Good Luck

I just play on one site a week.