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02-17-2016 , 01:19 AM
game is 6 handed at 0.05/0.10c

at MP i get AA. i raise 3x
CO calls. everyone else folds
(never played with CO before)
pot 0.75c

flop : 9d Jd Jh
i bet 0.45. CO calls
pot $1.65

Turn : Js
i bet $1.18. he calls.
pot $4.01

River : Kh
i bet $3.05. CO Reraises ALL IN. i Call.

Villain : QJ

initially i put him on the 9 when he didnt ReRaise my flop bet. when he flat called the turn again, i kept him on either a 9, a straight or flush draw ( KQ, Q10, K9s, K10s ) .. when he ReRaised all in on the River, i figured he may have hit the K to have a bigger fullhouse ( than what he thought i would have had ) and this is why i called.

was my thinking wrong here? Should it have been obvious that he had a J with him? Constructive criticism is MUCH appreciated. Thanks guys
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02-17-2016 , 02:11 AM
That's a pretty sick spot right there not much you could have done. Seems like you played the hand well in that situation you have to think that he has the only 1 card in the deck that can beat you.. do the math in your head and you figure his chances at having the quads are less than 5% folding that hand would have been a monster fold. You just have to assume that he doesn't have the quads and bet aggressively hoping he hit that king on the river and you have him dominated he just happened to have the nuts and you got trapped into the hand. He slowed rolled you and that J on the turn was the nail in the coffin.
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02-17-2016 , 03:57 AM
I don't know anyone who's gonna even think about laying that down ever, so just chalk it up to being a cooler.

The way the hand played and the river jam, I would have put V on a FD with a K. KQ,KT, AK in some instances.

The hands that beat you AJ-2 QJ-4 KK-1 (3) (Weighted KK at 25% with no 3 bet pre)
KJ-3 JT-4=======

Roughly 14 hands that crush you on the river

Hands you beat (with in a 30% calling range) that would/could make it to the river

AKs-1 A9o-5 maybe? little unlikely
KQs-1 QQ-6
KTs-1 maybe makes it to river TT-6
99-3

That equal 23 combos and then if you want to add a couple hands like a busted FD bluff (AQdd) or something like 88 or QT to account for the fish/spew factor, that would bump it up to 43 combos that you beat.

SO 14 against vs up to 43 for. Against those 56 hands, you have 76% equity.
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02-17-2016 , 08:31 AM
I usually check the flop, although it depends whether you have the NF blocker/backdoor.

Villain always has quads when he raises the river. I mean, you're repping quads yourself. He's not raising with a straight, a 9 or K.
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02-17-2016 , 02:46 PM
^^^^^ really? I would think any K bets the river at these stakes.
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02-17-2016 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by emmmrrrx
initially i put him on the 9 when he didnt ReRaise my flop bet. when he flat called the turn again, i kept him on either a 9, a straight or flush draw ( KQ, Q10, K9s, K10s ) .. when he ReRaised all in on the River, i figured he may have hit the K to have a bigger fullhouse ( than what he thought i would have had ) and this is why i called.

was my thinking wrong here? Should it have been obvious that he had a J with him? Constructive criticism is MUCH appreciated. Thanks guys
Yes, your thinking was wrong. And not because of what he had - but really how you thought about it.

1) You bet the flop and he called. Yes, there are a number of hands that can call there. But you essentially ruled out a J because he didn't raise you (he would be raising, not re-raising). Most people would never raise there with a J - why would they? A raise looks scary, and they don't want to scare you, they want to keep you interested and betting. You have to consider he might have a J.

2) You bet the turn and he calls. Now you think he has a 9, or a straight or flush draw. Certainly he'll call with a 9, but would he ever call with a straight or flush draw? There are 3 jacks out there - even the worst players out there know that drawing to a hand that is very likely beaten is a bad idea. So you can rule out the draw unless you are playing a complete drooler.

You can pretty much narrow his range down to any 9, any J, and any pair higher than 9. For some people - any pair, but pretty rare for someone to call 2 streets with 55 here.

3) On the river you haven't said how much was left - and so I have no idea if you are pot committed at this point. It is a tough spot, but unless he had KK or K9 he isn't likely to have stuck around with just a K, and KK is pretty likely to have 3-bet preflop.

When someone calls you on a paired board, immediately consider the possibility that they have trips. When they call a second time, strongly consider the possibility - and when they eventually raise you have to very strongly consider it. This doesn't mean they always have it - but don't be surprised when they do. Exercising pot control is a good idea - it isn't a great idea to play for stacks in this situation.
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02-17-2016 , 06:38 PM
No reads, no stack sizes? This is required information.
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02-17-2016 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
I usually check the flop, although it depends whether you have the NF blocker/backdoor.

Villain always has quads when he raises the river. I mean, you're repping quads yourself. He's not raising with a straight, a 9 or K.
Trolling I hope
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02-18-2016 , 12:37 AM
Bet/fold river. JK lol.

No seriously there is nothing you can do in this spot i mean if you were like 300bb+ deep or something i would fold tho. You don't give any info about the effective stacks or anything either

His line looks really strong now what value hands can you beat in his value range? Doubt he goes all-in with Kx over your triple barrel he is repping quads here or fk all...
Doubt he ever has a bluffing range here tho esp at the micros.

I'd prolly go bet, x, bet/call it off... I think 3 streets here is pretty thin unless he is a whale
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02-18-2016 , 08:28 AM
I'd check the river. Go through the scenarios of what he could have:

- He might have a jack, in which case you want to check
- He might have a king, in which case he probably just flat calls if you bet (since you rep a king or better) and bet if you check
- He might have a 9, in which case he's going to fold if you bet (I would bet if he were the kind of player who might call a 9 in this spot).
- Finally, he might have floated your turn bet because it looks pretty dubious.
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02-19-2016 , 02:25 AM
Thanks for the replies guys. stack sizes were $10 ..sorry for not mentioning in my initial post.
I think i was kinda hoping he hit the K when he made that raise. i dunno why, but i feel thats what i wouldve done had I been in his place.. ?!


JUST a follow up on this-

lets say IM the villain this hand, and had K9o/ K10s/ KQs.. and it went bet, call ( on the Flop ) - check, check ( on the Turn ) and villain makes a 3/4pot bet on the R, would a ReRaise make sense here ( when the K hits the River? )
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02-19-2016 , 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by emmmrrrx
game is 6 handed at 0.05/0.10c

at MP i get AA. i raise 3x
CO calls. everyone else folds
(never played with CO before)
pot 0.75c

flop : 9d Jd Jh
i bet 0.45. CO calls
pot $1.65

Turn : Js
i bet $1.18. he calls.
pot $4.01

River : Kh
i bet $3.05. CO Reraises ALL IN. i Call.

Villain : QJ

initially i put him on the 9 when he didnt ReRaise my flop bet. when he flat called the turn again, i kept him on either a 9, a straight or flush draw ( KQ, Q10, K9s, K10s ) .. when he ReRaised all in on the River, i figured he may have hit the K to have a bigger fullhouse ( than what he thought i would have had ) and this is why i called.

was my thinking wrong here? Should it have been obvious that he had a J with him? Constructive criticism is MUCH appreciated. Thanks guys
Zeebo's theorem - no one can fold a full house, no matter how obvious it is they are beat. You just demonstrated Zeebo's theorem perfectly.
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02-19-2016 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by emmmrrrx
Thanks for the replies guys. stack sizes were $10 ..sorry for not mentioning in my initial post.
I think i was kinda hoping he hit the K when he made that raise. i dunno why, but i feel thats what i wouldve done had I been in his place.. ?!
Which combos of Kx get to the river, and if you had them, what are you expecting to call you when you raise?
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