Hello...I have started playing 25NL

I was hoping i could get some information as to what to expect for a winrate that a good player will see at 10k hands and 20k hands and what are some goals that would be reasonable to shoot for at this level.

I generally play 4-6 or as many as 9-12 tables...i think im going to play mostly 4-6 tables as i dont maximize well with more.

There really isn't any.. Just be happy that you are winning. Setting up for daily or long term expectations is recipe for disaster and tilt inducing when you dont achieve these goals.

5BB/100 over 10K hands is a good winrate btw.

I think im backwards...without a goal i work aimlessly...quit early winning and play too long losing...

then use 5bb/100 as a guide line win rate and aim for that based on however many hands you play for a hard total profit amount.

Don't worry about a winrate yet imo, too many people wank over winrates so early on when they move up. Just focus on getting over the money hump, getting to know the regs and how to exploit them, then after maybe 40k hands of winning measly amounts and figuring out what works, then focus on your winrate.

I think I played 35k hands of 25NL which was pretty much breakeven, the next 10k was 4bb/100, the next 10k was 7bb/100, and the last 10k has been 14bb/100, so ya know, don't worry about it yet. From my experience of 25NL, your main aims should be;

• Stop thinking everyone is playing back at you. Some are, but you aren't good in 3bet pots yet, and you're crap at hand reading (this goes for all 10NL players, including me when I frist moved there), so don't worry about trying to get tricky with better players. Yet anyway.
• Don't worry about a winrate yet, focus on losing the minimum at first, and build from there.
• Don't get down hearted when you played 50k hands and haven't won any money yet, this will be the case for most people moving to a new level, you'll earn it soon enough.
• Keep watching videos and reading articles from good players, it helps a ton.

Good luck.

it's pretty damn ****ed up...up 200 yesterday down 250 today...same playing...except now idiots are hitting stupid hands on me...

for example..as i type this....this happens...

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $60.75
BTN: $16.00
SB: $50.00
BB: $48.25
UTG: $6.50
UTG+1: $10.45
Hero (UTG+2): $50.00
MP1: $13.80
MP2: $53.25

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG+2 with A A
2 folds, Hero raises to $2, 3 folds, BTN calls $2, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.75) 2 K T (2 players)
Hero bets $3, BTN raises to $6, Hero raises to $48 all in, BTN calls $8 all in

Turn: ($32.75) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($32.75) Q (2 players - 2 are all in)

I thought you were playing 25NL first off...
Second, 25NL - 50NL you should most definitely sign up for rakeback for FTP. Take advantage of that and their $600 deposit bonus.

I agree with runittwice's post, also just focus on getting tons of value and not paying off, don't get too caught up in 3betting light and 4bet bluffing etc. A lot of people overestimate that stuff's value and importance at 25NL, when it is really almost copleteley insignificant at that level.

Surfing 2+2 while playing is -EV

Seriously start at the $.01/$.02, use the 30 buyin rule and work your way up through the limits, it is the best and most satisfying way of doing this.

not poker at all who isn't calling a 3 bet of 10 cents.?

Why would you 3 bet 10 cents?

you should never be 3betting for 10c at the $.01/$.02.

SB and BB = $.03 even if utg only minimum raises the bet to $.04 your minimum 3bet if you are next to act should be to at least $.15

3bet = p + 2(b)

It really sounds to me like you need to start at the $.01/$.02

without getting into it i went to 50NL hoping it would make a difference but as seen above morons play there too...but why they win more than lose against me is beyond my comprehension

plus i found cheaters at 25NL tables...not sure if it's the same person playing two accounts...or if it's players colluding...

i wont tell you the bad beat stories but...it literally makes me want to throw up....the deck also has been ICE cold...

to me the game at 25NL isnt about the money...i could bankroll 50NL just fine...but i just want to learn the game but the way i have run is more of a setback in ways

You mindset sucks, try and think logically and don't blame luck.

ok well not that it matters i just picked a number but yes i am aware of the equations...lets says even .20 cents...i raise .20 cents (two dimes) at 2NL and still get 4 callers...yeah no thanks, it's more bingo than poker

even tho i dont play for serious money...take the game seriously since it's not about the money it's about the game instead...like i make a decision at a 25NL table (or smaller) that i would at a 200NL table...

hopefully you would.

haha my all in expectancy is 200 dollars off within 5k hands...not really blaming "luck" so much as that maybe im just not smart enough to avoid bad luck...and im really not getting my hands in bad enough to every catch up...

i could show hands but i wont waste your time...every one says they go thru it the same...

oh well i cashed out for now...i left 300 bux online to just dick around with...

start with a $60 deposit and play the $.01/$.02 at PokerStars, always buyin for 100BB's and set your auto top-up to 100BB's, anytime you have 180+BB on a table leave as soon as the BB gets around to you, jump up to the next stakes once you have 30 100BB buyins at that stakes, if you ever drop down to less than 20 buyins at the stakes you are currently playing drop back down in stakes and grind it back up to 30 100BB buyins before jumping back up.

This is the best advice I can offer you, and if you do this and build your way to a $.25/$.50 BR which I would prefer at least 40 buyins or $2000 to play that stakes, you will be awesome at this game by the time you get there, it may take years, though, but well worth it.

doesnt really matter if no one at the table gets it...yes sometimes if feels good to felt someone for being an idiot...but a lot of the time they win anyway and that makes me wonder why i waste my time...

it's good advice...

but honestly...how does .01/.02 help your game? seriously question...not being a douche about it so i hope it doesnt come across as such

Any poker anywhere against any kind of opponent helps your game and teaches you to beat those kinds of opponents.

As long as you're not letting yourself form bad habbits. Which is easy not to do if you pay attention at all.

You can get some pretty fun games going at the $.01/$.02, and if you arn't doing it for the money right now why not just play $.01/$.02 and grind it up?

LOL im a loser with KK and AA over 5k hands...wtf??? i mean i win percentage wise but how the hell am i losing money with the top two hands...

is it just bad to get those hands all in pf?

bc it makes me furious to make a raise that everyone calls...i dont know why

Maybe you will understand one day.....