Not sure where I should post this but after checking my stats yesterday I have realised that my red line is higher than my blue line and my winrate is also pretty good as well.

• I play on Pokerstars 10NL 6 max Reg tables
• Multi-tabling 6 at a time
• Have noticed that the general pool population consists of loose passive fish and weak tight regs

The reason I post this is because the general consensus at the micros is to have a positive blue line and negative red line. Is it okay to have a higher red line than blue line or will this hurt me in the future when I move up stakes?

Non-showdown winnings: 7.33bb/100
Showdown winnings: 6.08bb/100




If there are any more stats I should provide then let me know.

The premise of negative red line is that you're letting go of hands more frequently and therefore losing more money in those cases - but not so much that you lose overall.

It might, therefore, be a sign that you're somewhat over-aggressive during the hand - although given the general upward trend of your red line, it might be that you've found a strategy that works against the internet players who are more willing to fold before the river.

For future reference for you and others thinking of posting graphs.....

Beginners Questions Stats Thread

Any number of reasons could lead to a positive red line.

Keep doing what you're doing OP.

Yeah the strategy I use seems to be working on these players but I will certainly have to adjust for even 25NL I reckon.


Thanks for sharing. I didn't notice that thread.


Yeah I thought this personally which is why I tried to be as specific about details as I could. Saw your thread on PG&C. Keep crushing bro!

I think a lot of this is because if you learn to play poker from various books and 2+2 strat threads you will land on a strategy that is mostly value related and doesn't contain a whole lot of bluffs. Sure, there's lots of c-betting, light 3 betting spots, and jamming strong draws, but not a lot on when to barrel hard with air or throw in a massive raise on the turn or river. Those are spots that I think a lot of us eventually figure out for ourselves if we want to get out of the sort of ABC poker that can win well at the micros but leads to a negative red line. It sounds like you're well on your way to doing this, as your results speak for themselves. You can actually see in your graph at around 12K hands in your blue line flattened but your red line sloped up. I'm guessing you ramped up your aggression at that point.

Probably not. I've long suspected that low stakes players don't bluff often enough, but it looks like maybe you've solved that problem. While I'm not saying go all spew monkey as you move up, being more comfortable with aggression will probably help vs. someone who has just played ABC in the micros and then finds themselves getting pushed around and not getting the same value from their strong hands as they used to when they moved up.

I agree with you completely. A lot of the regs I play against are mainly playing ABC. Such as when I get raised on turns on dry boards I let go of my overpairs/weak two pairs as I know these regs are playing standard (raising sets/straights/flushes). These players don't bluff enough which allows me to have more of a bluffing range. I have also started to add in more light 4 bets as the general population I have noticed tend to 3 bet light but don't know how to respond to 4 bets.

In regards to my blue line remaining level, I noticed that a lot of the regs I play against are very tight when calling down. This means that most of my profits against these guys are by barrelling much more often and throwing the odd raise then and there. Against fish I just play standard.