Really fed up at the moment, I really don't know what I can do - It's just cooler after cooler, It's not so much bad beats it's just I can't just run normal, my big hands get cracked by 3 outers continually, and when I open my range to hands such as 10 8s I'll miss the flop by miles; try to make plays and be continually dominated.

One of the many hands that is just so standard atm! But at least normally I don't get any action for my big hands.

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Hero (SB): $75.41
BB: $8.25
UTG: $54.69
CO: $23.85
BTN: $11.21

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with 7 7
1 fold, CO raises to $0.85, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.75, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.55) 4 Q 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets $2.05, Hero calls $2.05, BB raises to $7.40, CO raises to $23, Hero calls $20.95

Turn: ($55.95) 6 (3 players)

River: ($55.95) 4 (3 players)



OH AND AS I WRITE THIS POST THIS ONE COMES UP!!!

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Hero (BB): $49.02
UTG: $33.05
CO: $27.11
BTN: $73.28
SB: $37.81

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with K K
UTG raises to $0.88, CO calls $0.88, 2 folds, Hero raises to $3.62, UTG calls $2.74, 1 fold

Flop: ($8.22) J 7 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $6.47, UTG calls $6.47

Turn: ($21.16) J (2 players)
Hero bets $23.00, UTG calls $22.96 all in

River: ($67.08) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)




I am still winning at just under 3bb/100 which is ok but I feel I should be doing so much better, about 5 days ago ran hot for about 800 hands which was amazing but then back to the downswing. Also is everyone's graph as swingy as this???!!!

Also can someone tell me how yo post my graph and I'll put it up....

WOWOWO another hand jus this second.....
seriously I am in bits LOL

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BB: $49.28
UTG: $12.47
CO: $14.18
Hero (BTN): $58.96
SB: $49.62

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with K K
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, SB raises to $1.70, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4.65, SB calls $2.95

Flop: ($9.55) J 6 4 (2 players)
SB bets $9.55, Hero raises to $54.31, SB calls $35.42 all in

Turn: ($99.49) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($99.49) T (2 players - 1 is all in)

Right there is the graph! What a wonderful sight, running just under 7 buyins below EV and bb/100 how now dropped to a brilliant 1.7/100 from the peak of the 3 days ago of 8/100.

Hero (BB): $49.02
UTG: $33.05
CO: $27.11
BTN: $73.28
SB: $37.81

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with K K
UTG raises to $0.88, CO calls $0.88, 2 folds, Hero raises to $3.62, UTG calls $2.74, 1 fold

Flop: ($8.22) J 7 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $6.47, UTG calls $6.47

Turn: ($21.16) J (2 players)
Hero bets $23.00, UTG calls $22.96 all in

River: ($67.08) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Most of the hands are just coolers...but this hand.

What do you think he had when he called the flop...it wasn't a draw.
So you might consider slowing down when top pair comes off on turn with over pair.
Bad luck with the coolers though
GL

Don't worry about it, you're not going to run amazingly all the time, you need to just stay strong on your downswings, maybe when you get beat like this take a break for a bit, search the forums, then go back with a clear mind.

I run like **** half the time too, it's not good, but it balances itself out, i'm sure you've pulled some bad beats in your time, but seriously, keep your head up and it'll come good in the end.

Although the 2nd hand, I think you played badly. It's a horrible turn, but you panicked and over bet totally. Sorry bro but i think that was a mistake on your behalf. Gotta be able to lay down an overpair, he's beating you with so much now.

Yeh I agree the 2nd hand wasn't played very nicely but I put him on QQ still or maybe jacks but then the turn came so I didn't believe he had quads. Villain plays 18/12/2.1 over 1.2k hands so I have some history but I was slightly tiliting but yeh need a break. Thing which tilts me more is he says in chat after the hand "Oh yeh, I put you on kings" - Oh right so why the F*** are you calling pre and the flop if your f***** miles behind"!!!

if you want to keep your downswings more under control try this approach -

1st hand 3 bet out of sb with your 77 - BB mucks - maybe the CO as well.
As played, did you put the CO on trips after the re-re-raise? I would have put him on QQ (but I'm a nit) and folded.

2nd hand - wtf are you doing stacking off on the turn when the second J comes?

3rd hand - again, you are stacking off way too light. Seriously - what range is he calling your 4-bet pre-flop with? AA obv.


hope this helps.

Villain plays 18/12/2.1 over 1.2k hands

And you decided to over bet shove the turn when top pair which is a huge part of a nits range in this spot hits? You deserved that one. Tilt less.

First hand was just standard cooler but I would say raise flop or donk bet and hope they raise it for you.

Edit: The third hand was just spew as well. What in the world are you doing stacking off on the flop with that huge re-raise? You're getting value from NOTHING by doing it.

Villain in this hand is playing 60/17/1.2 with a 3bet% of 4.6 so I think his range is massive!

And also second hand - am I just going to check fold this one??? and if he checks behind and fires a pot bet on the river??- fold?

when youre steaming youre basically looking for each oppurtunity to win your money back. that means for example that youre willing to flip more frequently and simply overplay your hand. you wont get it all back by gambling and forcing the deck to come your way.take a break and try to forget about the total dollars. youre entering a vicious circle here obviously and this could lead to 7-10 stacks loss. you want that ?

Well no, I think I've refrained from tilting quite a lot apart from a couple of hands (Namely the KK v AJ one) but I've already lost about 8 200bb stacks since the peak anyway....

You could move in and go bust as the alternative play...shoving isn't the play.

As far as an answer.. lose the least amount possible when beat and extract the most when ahead.
Why did he call the flop?
What did he have in his hand to call the raise with?
Another example of how position is so paramount in poker.

He played like crap PF and got a lucky turn.
I'm not saying fold every time because table dynamics can't be taken into account.Just remember this situation next time the board pairs top card and you are OOP.
GL

Sure the guy may be playing the board in this situation, but when OPP you have to accept that some bluffs are too good to be picked off.

Your hand has showdown value - try to get to the river as cheaply as possible.

3rd hand - Smooth calling a 4 bet at this level indicates the nuts, especially when the villain is loose-passive.

Be careful to play the situation, not the stats.

I feel bad for you man because I've gone through some pretty similar patches (still 14bis below EV at 50NL!) however you need to admit to yourself when you're playing badly.

Look at variance as a benefit, any useless monkey can make money when the cards fall their way but it's minimising your losses and maximising your profits when all is going wrong that will seperate the good players and bad.

I tend to do exactly what you do, play well for 5-10k hands then all of a sudden have a few bad beats, lose all decision aking abilities and lose 10 buy ins in a session or two (normally 6 are just coolers but it's avoiding the other 4 that is key!)......yes my graph looks like yours but I'm verrrrry bad at tilting.

Lets look at the hands you've posted (I bet these are the ones you feel you played well in and there are several more you're too embarrassed to show).

Hand 1: 3 bet pre is the easy awnser, if they call you're still losing this hand but set mining OOP is bad.
As played, meh it's a cooler. Definately should of 3 bet flop though, with 3 people in the pot you really want to charge them to chase their draws and over pairs will definately come along for the ride or shove over you. No real benefit in calling.

Hand 2: The J is the worst card on the turn. This is by far the most likely hand for them to have called the flop with. You can check call a smallish bet but are folding the river without a great read.

Hand 3: Pure spew. You forced the guy to play perfect poker, lost all value if you were ahead and committed yourself if you're behind. Always hard to get away from big overpairs but that huge overbet is pure spew!

Play less table if you're multi tabling and really work on hand reading, forget abour $/hr and worry only about working out what you're opponent likely has, bit by bit these decisions become easier and easier.

Variance..

It Happens

We all go through it. Losing is the job, winning is the fun. Understand and accept that or quit pretending to play seriously and take up chess or another game with perfect information.

This is poker.. It's a cruel game.

Make sure you have at least 30BI's for your limit, make sure you have rakeback, make sure you've read up on PNLv1 + The Poker Mindset, and only play when you feel good.

If you can, take a few days off and reflect

Alot of people are talking about hand 3 and AA vs KK is a cooler.
If the guy re raised you guys fold pre flop?...that's silly.
He could have AJ QQ 1010thinking you have AK
Folding KK is insane...it's a cooler.

yea...hand 2 is the only one you could have gotten away from imo, but I see why you bet like you did....if we check and they shove, were in a tough spot..so to simplfy things we put him to the decision. Maybe if we bet smaller there we can save some money when he comes over the top.

Yeh that's the thing why I did it because I just feel that is super weak if we are check folding the turn! But I understand how I could have done it but I didn't have AJ in his range tbh, maybe jacks but then the quads make that very unlikely.

Time for a small break me thinks.

Btw, always 4 table 6 max. Might just win a few donkaments in the meanwhile...

grunch

posting 2 hands where u lost and a graph that shows u have won money isnt the best way to do this.


basically u started this thread because u are tilting. stop playing. take a break. reassess.

be happy ur greenline is still > 0

post some non-bad beat hands and reply to 10x more

and btw i'd have played those hands about the same. dont worry bout them. look at other hands where u didnt have a good hand and see if u could have played differnetly.

Although this is variance I would actually not call these situations a cooler or even a bad beat. These are extremely difficult situations in poker and the best can recognize where they are at.

I just glanced through other hands but I want to comment on this one. I think villain's line is comedy. It completely baffles me but people have done this to me before. Anybody want to attempt to explain villain's line?

Had a few days break and enjoyed it, came back yesterday played about 2k hands- playing well slowly grinding up. Played again today quite a bit slowly winning which I was very happy with then boooom.

Would it be a good idea to take a couple of weeks break? Move site?


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Hero (CO): $49.05
BTN: $8.75
SB: $7.62
BB: $24.36
UTG: $40.07
MP: $37.07

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with K K
UTG raises to $0.85, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.90, 1 fold, SB calls $2.80, 1 fold, UTG raises to $8.85, Hero calls $5.95, SB calls $4.72 all in

Flop: ($25.57) 3 J 8 (3 players - 1 is all in)
UTG bets $17.00, Hero raises to $40.20, UTG calls $14.22 all in

Turn: ($88.01) 3 (3 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($88.01) Q (3 players - 2 are all in)





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SB: $13.12
BB: $66.48
CO: $49.53
Hero (BTN): $48.55

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with A 5
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.85, SB calls $0.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.95) 2 3 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.95, SB raises to $4.40, Hero raises to $15.15, SB calls $7.87 all in

Turn: ($26.49) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($26.49) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)



I know they're not the most disgusting in the world but it is seriously just a constant stream as even after having a break, feeling refreshed and back to ways it comes back at once.

and graphy...I don't really care if I get flamed for re-igniting this thread but just proper P****d and need to let off!

Then go to the BBV forum please.