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02-02-2020 , 02:47 PM

tombos21

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http://rangevsrange.pythonanywhere.com/

I recently discovered this fantastic poker variant. It's exactly like regular poker, except you play with ranges instead of two hole cards.You get to choose exactly what hands you fold/check/call/bet/raise with. At the end of the line, you get a complete summary of your EV. Thinking in ranges is the first step to becoming better.

It's good fun and good practice! If anyone wants to play, I've got a bunch of open challenges under the username "notphilgalfond". It would be great to have a few more challengers!

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02-02-2020 , 10:23 PM

tombos21

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The interface is tricky, but it's worth it.

I can honestly say I've learned more from playing this game than any book/video has ever taught me. It forces you to think about your strategy holistically, and it shines a spotlight on common mistakes. Its completely reshaped the way I look at the game.

If you're playing me right now, send me a message. Still taking on more challengers!

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To make your first move: select the game, then use the "range editor" tab to adjust your range.

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02-04-2020 , 09:37 AM

Gcm1998

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Playing vs you there!

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02-05-2020 , 09:40 AM

tombos21

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Right on, what's your username on there?

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02-06-2020 , 01:41 PM

erniebilko

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Ok, I just joined also. My screenname is ian. This looks like a good way to help improve.

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02-14-2020 , 02:16 PM

rooh

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Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 4

Nice tool, would be great as an app

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03-04-2020 , 01:25 AM

haerdn

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Looks pretty cool. Anyone knows how does it calculate or "work" how much EV you are losing or something like that?

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03-04-2020 , 04:28 AM

tombos21

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Originally Posted by haerdn

Looks pretty cool. Anyone knows how does it calculate or "work" how much EV you are losing or something like that?

The developer made several videos explaining the math behind it.

The math is pretty straightforward. You can gain EV in two ways in poker:
1) EV gained at showdown.
2) EV gained when our opponent folds.

The results tab at the end gives you a breakdown. Fold equity is calculated as (fold frequency x pot).

Showdown EV is just (frequency x equity x pot).

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03-06-2020 , 12:11 PM

AceHi

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I joined also.

It is a lot of fun and a good way to improve. Get's you started really thinking in ranges.

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03-11-2020 , 10:57 AM

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TooPro4You

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I tried to join games but nothing really happened? What else do I need to do after editing my range?

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03-11-2020 , 05:39 PM

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tombos21

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Originally Posted by TooPro4You

I tried to join games but nothing really happened? What else do I need to do after editing my range?

You submit your move, and then wait for your opponents response. Keep in mind that each player has a week to make their move before timeout, but most people play a few moves a day.

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03-13-2020 , 11:26 PM

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erniebilko

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Ok, tombos. I'm playing you again now. You're up on me in games so far - i'll have to count, but I think you are several games ahead.

Just counted: 11-5 to you.

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03-14-2020 , 10:06 AM

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WxrLord

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Originally Posted by erniebilko

Ok, tombos. I'm playing you again now. You're up on me in games so far - i'll have to count, but I think you are several games ahead.

Just counted: 11-5 to you.

welcome back hopefully we can play a few

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03-15-2020 , 07:52 AM

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tombos21

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Good game, Ian! That last one was pretty close. Looking forward to the rematch.

Wxrlord you've gotten so much better at this game man. When you started you were playing ABC poker, now you're pulling out exploits and balancing like a boss. We must have played like 50 games so far so I have no idea who's ahead lol.

Who's the strongest player you guys have played against on there?

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03-15-2020 , 10:55 AM

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WxrLord

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Originally Posted by tombos21

thank you very much I try my best

also I'm not sure who's the best you and anonymous7 always give me tough games and recently ian and ghetohole have got much better and giving me great matches

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03-15-2020 , 01:21 PM

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erniebilko

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Cheers, Tombos. I think we are all getting better. This is really great practice and it has already had a beneficial effect on my 6 max games. I'll be back playing later today!

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03-15-2020 , 09:30 PM

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tombos21

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Originally Posted by erniebilko

Cheers, Tombos. I think we are all getting better. This is really great practice and it has already had a beneficial effect on my 6 max games. I'll be back playing later today!

Agreed! I've noticed a huge difference in my games already. It really puts it into perspective.

If any of you 2+2 guys are reading this please feel free to join! I know it's not a flashy interface, but it makes such an impact on your game.

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03-16-2020 , 03:03 PM

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AceHi

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Viego here...have played some game on this site so far and despite losing to WXRlord and NotPhilGalfond ever so often, I really enjoy the games.

Now I just need to get better :-)

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03-17-2020 , 12:07 AM

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erniebilko

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Hi AceHi. We played too - I'm ian on there. 1-1 so far! good games

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03-17-2020 , 07:58 AM

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AceHi

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Oh yes, I remember. They were close. Unfortunately both boards were pretty dry, so we checked back and forth. Hopefully next game there will be more opportunities to get the lead. Cheers

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03-17-2020 , 09:39 PM

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WxrLord

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Originally Posted by AceHi

Viego here...have played some game on this site so far and despite losing to WXRlord and NotPhilGalfond ever so often, I really enjoy the games.

Now I just need to get better :-)

good games my dude hopefully we can play much more in future

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06-02-2020 , 02:09 PM

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blobross

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Hey is the link broken or is the website down? was working yesterday and would love to try this!

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06-03-2020 , 10:51 AM

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WxrLord

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Originally Posted by blobross

Hey is the link broken or is the website down? was working yesterday and would love to try this!

the domain recently got changed the new domain is http://www.rangevsrange.com/

@everyone if you're new to poker or a micros player this site is very helpful and everyone on it gives great advice on constructing your ranges in different scenarios