Fairly new to the gambling scene and i don't quite have an understanding of how rake impacts winrate a lot, or when someone comments on how high it is in xyz game ect. so with that what would a fair or decent rake look like?
for context my last 7k hands on gg 5nl i have paid 315.xx bb in rake.... a lot?

Typically for online you'd define the rake as bb/100, but the amount of rake overall that you end up paying in those terms is a function of vpip/pfr and games overall.

They (GG/online sites) will state their rake as a percentage with a cap.

Rake is a COB (cost of doing business) or 'expense'. You can calculate it as a % or bb/100 or $/hr and then put it up against a comparable 'income' measure.

How many bb did you win over the course of paying 315bb in rake? 315/(315 + profit) is X% rake expense. Whatever the amount you have to decide if the cost justifies the resultant. We can't decide for you what is acceptable.

Since you don't tip online it doesn't apply, but there's been many a day that the Dealer 'made more' than I did in a poker session during the hands I played.

I'm a high VPiP aggressive Player and the hands I'm in generally produce a lot of rake. I was even 'accused' of working for the room in an effort to 'max rake' every hand dealt .. funny, but not the case.

I don't think it's a good idea for a Player to want to possibly change their game 'because' of rake, but I do think it's wise to understand that certain styles of play 'cost' more than others and that study focus should be on maximizing value in an effort to maximize profit. GL

down just over 500bb with 300bb of that being the rake.

Isn't "rake paid" in online tracking databases a function of total taken while you are at a table divided by players in each hand? So that there is very little, if anything, you can do to affect it. It's only use is in determining rakeback, right? I don't think you can make that comparison.

That is not necessarily true that you should not change your game because of rake. Solvers can be set up with different rake structures and these structures do effect the optimal strategies. As a simple example, in a high rake game with a ?no flop, no drop? rule (ie no rake is taken if the hand ends preflop), a strategy that is more aggressive preflop than what would normally be the case becomes optimal. You should be opening tighter, but three betting (and four betting) at higher frequencies than at a lower rake game. The reason is obvious? you want to see fewer flops and win more pots preflop in such a game.

It is true that the changes are not huge ones, but rather on the margins. If others at the table are adjusting appropriately, you no longer want to open with the lower end of your range ? you are more likely to be forced to fold to a three bet. But you do want to adjust your game to the rake structure; it is always a component of your decision making.

Rake is often calculated as bb / 100 hands.

7000 hands, 315 bb rake

Divide both sides by whatever makes hands = 100. Thus divide both sides by 70.

7000 / 70 = 100
315 / 70 = 4.5

4.5 bb / 100 hands. Seems really reasonable. How to know "reasonable" ? - https://www.primedope.com/online-pok...ke-calculator/
You can now compare. Funny, I see that the average rake for GG 5nl is 13 bb / 100 .
You are paying significantly less than the average.

This could be due to a few reasons, there might be more but this jumps to my mind:
1. You play very tight
2. You are reading from PT4, and perhaps you are reading a ptbb figure, and thus you should double it. (Can someone confirm if ptbb is still the output from pt4?)


First and foremost, you need to confirm (2.). Unfortunately I don't play much poker and I never used PT4. You will need a more experienced member to help with (2.), and it should be your priority before venturing further with the question.