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05-15-2015 , 06:07 AM
Hi guys,

Now i was playing and some reg told me omg you had big leak. "Problem" is that I open:

UTG and MP 3x
CO 2.5x
BTN 2x
SB 3

Is that ok? This is my standard i play like that and i think it's fine?!

Never changing sizing no matter if i had AA or 45o on the btn i will open 2x unless some fish or station is on the blinds...
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05-15-2015 , 07:35 AM
First off if you are comfortable playing that way then don't let others tell you how to play. Specially if it is a winning style to your game.

Food for thought going forward as to why considering a change in bet sizing:

Your relative hand strength: if you have a premium hand like aces on the button if you only min raise after 3-4 limpers (not uncommon in a live game setting) all are coming aboard. If you poker stove your odds against that many players you will see your a dog to win the hand. You are better narrowing the field to increase you ev in the hand special since at the moment you have the nuts. Extreme example is you have nuts on turn and bet 1 bb into 100 bb pot where there is both straight and flush draws. You are laying odds that justify the draw to stay in. Yes they are still paying to draw but they are correct to make the call. Poker is about capitalizing on other players mistakes charge them the wrong price. On the flip side still 3-4 limpers and you have 45 suited on button and you min raised. What is your goal with this hand? With that many plays flops like 557 and flopped flushes even 678 boards really a reverse implied odds problem as since you didn't push out hands like Q5 suited like in the example of 557 flop or K3 suited on a flopped flush or even 910 off suit on the 876 flop. Small suited connectors do best with fewer opponents then more.

Next consideration is stack sizes: Part of good poker strategy is not allowing your opponents realize the equity that they have in a hand best way to accomplish this is to get them to fold. Going back to the 100 bb pot if they have 25% equity if you bet 1 bb and they call their ev is 25.5 bb at a cost of 1 bb. If you bet 10 bb there ev after the call is 30 bb 30-10 is 20 bb expected value for the villain. But if you bet 60 bb which they call they should expect to win 44 bb and 44-60 shows them a losing ev in the long run meaning they would be wrong to chase their 25% equity in the pot. Now I realize that the example is a turn bet example but still betting more pre if it gets more folds removes other players from ever realizing their own equity in any given hand.

Maximize winnings: Also betting more pre helps build a pot quicker so that later streets can justify bigger bets. While there is no rule that says you can't bet 30 bb into a 10 bb pot that 4 villains played after your button 2x it is easier to bet 20 bb into a pot that you bet 7 bb and got 3 callers. Bet sizing so by the end of the hand you can maximize your winnings is key. Bet enough so by the river either you/villain is all in when you are favorite to flip over the winning hand (vs his perceived range)

While this became a little drawn out of a response I hope I explained enough concepts that as you move forward in any given hand you take the time to consider as to why you chose a particular bet size
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05-15-2015 , 07:50 AM
Thanks. For limpers I use 3+1x for every limper. Just talking about open raise from every position.

I also notice regs on my limit open 4x every position... Thats kinda weird to me.

Thanks again!
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05-15-2015 , 08:45 AM
do whatever you want.

i don't want to go into the details but the answer imo is that it doesn't matter because nobody is doing it "correct" anyways / there is no "correct" way. just as long as it's not awful... so whatever works!
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05-15-2015 , 09:25 AM
I don't know what this "reg" bothered but your sizings seem fine. Opening 3x in early to compensate for position and range strentgh, lower it when your range becomes filled with junk and then go 3x again for being out of position in SB all seems pretty logical to me.

Let me guess, you 2xed from the BTN and he 3bet/5bet his JJ thinking you never make it 2x with aces?

Also every time someone at the table tells you how you should play this is pretty much always bad advice.
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05-15-2015 , 09:33 AM
You want to open for the amount that will get you the result you are looking for ... ??? Every table is different and if 'today' it is loose and spewy then you want to bump up your open to get HU and work some magic!! Other days may require some prodding since everyone has decided to l/f or l/3-bet.

Is this a winning reg?

If you are adjusting your 'basic' opening bets for position and pot size then you are doing fine, but then also take a look at what the 'going rate' is for the day and perhaps get some extra value into the 'formula' that you are comfortable with. GL
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05-15-2015 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
I don't know what this "reg" bothered but your sizings seem fine. Opening 3x in early to compensate for position and range strentgh, lower it when your range becomes filled with junk and then go 3x again for being out of position in SB all seems pretty logical to me.

Let me guess, you 2xed from the BTN and he 3bet/5bet his JJ thinking you never make it 2x with aces?

Also every time someone at the table tells you how you should play this is pretty much always bad advice.
This. They think when i 2x i have always garbage because i open 3x from utg and mp, so they stack off with AQ, JJ, i saw even some guys stack off with AJo vs me.

that guy who told me wining like 2bb/100h, but i was wondering maybe i should 3x from every position, because really on my level i never see guys have opening sizing like me... They all have 3x from every position or min raise, or 4x.

Anyway, thanks guys!
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05-15-2015 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by OpenFold
Hi guys,

Now i was playing and some reg told me omg you had big leak. "Problem" is that I open:

UTG and MP 3x
CO 2.5x
BTN 2x
SB 3

Is that ok? This is my standard i play like that and i think it's fine?!

Never changing sizing no matter if i had AA or 45o on the btn i will open 2x unless some fish or station is on the blinds...

Did you happen to take a lot of chips from this "reg"? He sounds bitter.
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05-15-2015 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by OpenFold
This. They think when i 2x i have always garbage because i open 3x from utg and mp, so they stack off with AQ, JJ, i saw even some guys stack off with AJo vs me.

that guy who told me wining like 2bb/100h, but i was wondering maybe i should 3x from every position, because really on my level i never see guys have opening sizing like me... They all have 3x from every position or min raise, or 4x.

Anyway, thanks guys!
I don't play much 6max nowadays but HU I see every good reg minraising button, if BTN isn't very sticky you could probably get away with 2xing it in CO as well. In these positions your range is filled with trash so every time you get the same folds for less money is a win.
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05-15-2015 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by OpenFold
Now i was playing and some reg told me omg you had big leak.
Please send this "reg" to my table. I'd love to see what he thinks of my UTG minraises and (occasional) SB limps.

FWIW, there is no such thing as a "big" pre-flop leak regarding open-sizes, unless you're doing something ludicrous like opening for 15bb. The real money is made post-flop. You can win big with 4x opens in every position, and you can win big with minraises.
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