Hello,

I post this here, instead of the subsection, because I would like comments not on these particular hands per se, but the legitimacy of the Shove in general in these situation.

So the shove I win, I believe It was a wrong move? But half my stack was involved, so I had planned on shoving regardless. That the damn flush got there made me pause? Thoughts on this?

The shove I loose. I think this was right. I am behind only what he had, and a set of King's (which would have raised). I am 40 percent to an over pair? Yes. Also, The bigger stack was my only concern, yet he was not an insane mule. The man who called was 85/5.
I did not raise Preflop because I no one seemed to fold at this table, plus I do not think Ace Jack is good to raise here. Should this be a example of not going broke in a limped pot.

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $2.60
UTG: $1.74
UTG+1: $1.48
UTG+2: $0.80
MP1: $4.28
MP2: $0.80
Hero (CO): $2.00
BTN: $2.56
SB: $9.91

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with A J
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.02, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, BTN raises to $0.06, 2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.04, MP2 calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.27) 2 2 K (4 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP2 bets $0.12, Hero raises to $0.64, BTN folds, UTG+2 raises to $0.74 all in, MP2 folds, Hero calls $0.10

Turn: ($1.87) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($1.87) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)




Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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SB: $6.26
BB: $4.55
UTG: $2.97
UTG+1: $1.01
Hero (UTG+2): $2.02
MP1: $1.00
MP2: $6.77
CO: $2.16
BTN: $1.97

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG+2 with J J
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.06, MP1 calls $0.06, MP2 calls $0.06, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.06, SB calls $0.05, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.38) 7 4 J (6 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.36, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, BTN calls $0.36, SB folds, UTG+1 folds

Turn: ($1.10) T (2 players)
Hero bets $1.60 all in, BTN calls $1.55 all in

River: ($4.20) 6 (2 players - 2 are all in)





So, are either of these shoves wrong. My thought was the Set of Jacks, was perhaps. But if I do not shove, and he does I must call?

As Note: To Lego05 and Ajrenni, thank you for previous comments on another question concerning Over Pairs. I have looked for an example but have not found one yet.



As a last note:
I played perhaps three tables and 200 hands. I profit only (not that I am complaining) 6/100 bb. This seems little, but at higher blind levels I sense this rate would be unachievable. Here is my secondary question. I was involved in three All Ins, and folded good hands (low end straight to a River Check Raise from a man playing 8/2 which is very tight as I am very very tight and I have higher numbers.

How often, in the higher Blind Levels do you get All In moments. Is it less common due to there being less insane mules? Hence lower BB/100.

Thank You

I didn't read the post, but were these against mules who had KING KING?

HAND 1:

I still like a pre-flop raise here. If these two or three guys really are calling like 50 or 60% of the time I'd probably generally make my raise bigger. Looking to get $ in the pot against them and stack them when I flop something.

As played if MP2 plays aggressively and donks a lot your play is fine. Even if MP2 was an unknown this seems fine. Calling is probably fine too.


HAND 2:

Raise more pre-flop. Like 9 or 10 cents here. A lot of people use this standard particularly in these micro games: 4bb's + 1bb/limper.

Flop is fine.

Turn obviously is not the best card for you but you still do want to bet. I wouldn't overbet as you did but it isn't too bad. I'd bet like 90ish cents and call a shove and if he calls shove most rivers. Just shoving here is probably fine actually.

Be nice. This is a legitimate post.

I can only speak for up to 50NL, but it really varies. There are times where I will go long stretches without a big all-in hand, due to a combination of not getting big hands and opponents not having hands when I do. At other times I seem to be getting it in left and right - I have been all-in pre-flop/on the flop on multiple tables at the same time on numerous occassions.

Although the common session review advice is to look at the hands where you won or lost a lot, I think over the long term, it's not these types of hands that determine your win rate. As you play more and more hands, the variance should smooth out w/r/t to the big all-in confrontations. But if you have a lot of other leaks, they will sap your win rate.

By way of analogy, in games like football, basketball and soccer, a lot of times there will be a play at the end of the game that putatively determines the outcome. Maybe it is a score or a defensive stop, maybe a call by a referee (or lack of one). The fans of the losing team will point to that play and say if only things had gone our way there we would have won. But the coach will often say that one play doesn't make the difference - if the team had played smarter, executed better and done all of the little things right, the game wouldn't have come down to that one play. In poker, if you are a loser over a large sample, it probably isn't the big all-in confrontations; rather, it's the ill-advised bets and raises that bleed 5-20bb/occurence; it's the missed opportunities to get value, particuarly on the river; it's the hero calls when you can't possibly be ahead and the hero folds to the bluffs you induce.

First hand, I think you can peel here, and when you hit on the turn or river extract accordingly. Raising is a clear case of being called by better hands. Too risky to shove with limpers behind as well.

Make a PF raise if you're going to be playing AJs, you'll be able to be the aggressor.

Second hand, overbetting here might not be a good idea, only flushes can call you here. Make it about 70-80c, and call the shove. Still have outs to a full house if he has the flush.

Keep at it with these MULES and you'll eventually get there.

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