Hello,

Has anyone tried the preflopguru site?

The concept looks great, but I am not sure if the site is legitimate because I could not find a review anywhere on the internet and the owner is banned on two plus two.

Site: https://preflopguru.com/

I recently found out about this site and have been doing some drills there, but there are a number of things I don't really love about it. As for the ranges themselves, the ones I've been drilling (nl mtt ranges, shallow up to 50bb) are...decent, but not fantastic. I have some other gto ranges which I feel are better than the preflopguru ranges, but the guru mtt ranges at least aren't terrible and will be an improvement if you haven't been exposed to gto mtt preflop content.

Appreciate your answer Duncelanas!

I actually play microstakes cash, I think that "decent, but not fantastic" ranges for these stakes are probably good enough.

Given that preflop ranges in other places look expensive, I will try it out for cash on the next month.

Hi Duncelanas,

I'm one of the people behind the site. Curious to know what you didn't love about it or what were some things you thought could be improved? One of the more common requests we've gotten for new modules is more nl mtt modules for <= 50bb with alternative raise sizes (like min raise rfi instead of 2.5x, or open limping, etc.). One of the new nl mtt shallow stack modules is "tourney_15_30_v2" (which is still in beta/internal testing/hasn't been added to the menu yet), but you can access that one manually if you type it in.

Yes, some of the sizings in the nodes (ex 2.5bb open shallow instead of min-2.2x) and nai3b sizings lead to range warps and some results that I think are clearly suboptimal. I've compared a few of the ranges (particularly 3b ranges in the 15-50 mtt set) with pretty well-sized full gto ranges and seen some clear mistakes as well (don't remember the exact spot but I had one at like 20 or 25bb where AJo wasn't a 3bj vs mp or co open or something and it's just purejam in the solid ranges I have, for example).

Think it's mandatory to drop open sizes to 2.3x or below at 30bb, and to min at 20.

I'll try the beta ranges and see if that's a bit improved, thanks for letting me know about it

As another thing, I think the method for manually checking the ranges (next stack/choosing action) is pretty cumbersome and awkward. Not sure the best way to do it, but maybe some sort of dropdown menu?

I also think you should implement a yellow result for mixed frequencies that are incorrect (with rng mode) or lower frequency than the other option (with rng mode off) to reflect that while the answer isn't what you're looking for, it's not an ev-losing option. Maybe call it "incorrect mix" instead of just "incorrect."

So I've looked at that beta tree a bit and the sizes chosen seem a bit better (still might go bigger than min @ 30), now the results are definitely closer in some spots to the solid ranges I have. There are some differences for sure, but most of the borderline combos are similar and there are some small differences in 3b nodes and likely different flop subsets used, which would explain some amount of variance around the fringes of the ranges.

Thanks for letting me know about the beta tree.

Hi Duncelanas,

Thanks for the feedback. Do you know how the other ranges you're comparing against were generated? Also I wouldn't call one range better or worse. All of these solutions are solving a simplified game tree (where only certain raise sizes are allowed). Adding different raise sizes gives different strategic options. The strategy facing a 2.5x open can be very different vs a 2x open, and knowing the best response to both is useful as you can't control what raise size your opponents use (and if opponents react badly vs one raise size vs the other, it's useful to understand all the different strategies you can play). Also the 3 bet size you use can greatly change your strategies (making some hands more attractive to either call, 3bet, or just jam). We're working on having many different game trees for each type of game covering the most common sizes so people know how to handle a variety of raise/3bet sizes.

One other method to navigate to specific ranges is via the question panel (filter), where you can actually query from the dropdown there (while also showing ranges). That's another way some people navigate around the game tree if you prefer the menu approach.

And we can look to change the feedback (correct/wrong message), maybe giving just partial credit, etc. though it does start to get more complicated.

I've also joined recently but found it quite strange to find no real reviews online.
Ranges seem good for NL Cash, and very much "comparable" at least to the Pio BB Cloud Ranges with Pokerstars rake. Don't know about monker ranges.
Would be really cool if you could implement one NL Cash solve with rake too though, I know play tighter in general but it still would be nice to see how it effect things precisely
Also cold4Bet ranges, is this even possible?

20 bucks a month tho?