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04-23-2011 , 05:55 PM

icantfoldatc

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i know that i depends mainly on who is already in which way in the pot pre flop when you are in position how much you raise
but is it more profitable to raise more when playing out of later positons or in positon?

my thought
cause later positons are theoretically more profitable cause of more informations.

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04-23-2011 , 06:22 PM

meekrab

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The problem is you're generally opening a wider range from late position, and why would you want to play a bigger pot with a weaker hand?

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04-23-2011 , 06:44 PM

icantfoldatc

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Originally Posted by meekrab

The problem is you're generally opening a wider range from late position, and why would you want to play a bigger pot with a weaker hand?

yeah sure but think about like if its the same hand. like aq which i would raise pf from any position. is it profitable to play this hand for example with a bigger raise preflop from btn then from mp1 ?

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04-23-2011 , 06:48 PM

wafflehouse1

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If you are only raising bigger in late position with your best hands, you will be exploited very easily by any knowledgeable player.

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04-23-2011 , 06:52 PM

Mr Beer

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Originally Posted by icantfoldatc

if its the same hand. like aq which i would raise pf from any position. is it profitable to play this hand for example with a bigger raise preflop from btn then from mp1 ?

If it's a hand you currently profit from (hopefully this is true for AQ) and you currently make more from BTN from MP1 (which you should) and you raise more and you get called/raised the same amount of times...then yes.

The last point is the tricky one as wafflehouse says.

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04-23-2011 , 06:57 PM

icantfoldatc

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edit ^ question answered i guess

thanks

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Originally Posted by wafflehouse1

If you are only raising bigger in late position with your best hands, you will be exploited very easily by any knowledgeable player.

didnt thought about that. counter move is probably to play some marginal hands or mid pocket pair too.

so i ask different:

is it more profitable to have a bigger pot when playing from late positions?(not thinking about the cards)

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04-23-2011 , 07:09 PM

wafflehouse1

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If you are taking the flop in position it probably is more profitable to have a bigger pot. I would not focus on bloating pots just because of this though, I would focus more on playing more average sized pots IP just for the sheer fact that position is power.

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04-23-2011 , 08:10 PM

TBobLP

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Originally Posted by wafflehouse1

I disagree with your first statement. shallower stacks benefit those oop as they reduce the positional edge of those IP, making a smaller open in LP generally a better idea, and bigger raises oop a better idea. also our range is wider and we will generally be 3bet more when opening in LP so a smaller open makes our steals cheaper

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04-23-2011 , 08:43 PM

icantfoldatc

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Originally Posted by TBobLP

but this only relates to positional aware players right?

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04-23-2011 , 09:52 PM

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TBobLP

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Originally Posted by icantfoldatc

but this only relates to positional aware players right?

The last part yes...if they are flitting your lp opens wide and suck post then raise big and build pots. Vs better players I would be looking to play less exploitably

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04-24-2011 , 09:27 AM

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BeerMonster

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If going to change bet size based on position, take OP and reverse it.

Small raises from early encourage people who have position on you to flat or 3bet you constantly and profitably.

Excessively large raises from late position mean you will get limited action from those out of position. When you do you'll often be 3bet and be playing in a really large pot which negates a decent chunk of your positional advantage, as per tboplp's comments.

IMO better to just have a standard raise size.

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