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12-20-2013 , 06:10 PM

mackeleven

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,593

Check if my thought process is sound.
When we open JJ, QQ, AK and we are 3bet by the SB or BB.

We gain by just calling when we are ahead and winning by have the SB or BB bluff or simply put more money in postflop with worse.
There is no merit 4betting and have them fold worse.

Shouldn't we then fold JJ or QQ probably on the river if BB bets 3 streets (after 3betting) repping an overpair to ours and we are readless and therefore no real reason to believe BB is capable of bluffing?

Last edited by mackeleven; 12-20-2013 at 06:29 PM.

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12-20-2013 , 08:37 PM

AlienSpaceBat

table tilting animal

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 9,703

You will need to be deep to not be pot committed on the turn in a 3bet pot though.

e.g. 100bb stacks

You raise to 3bb SB 3bets to 8bb, you call. Pot is 17bb
Flop comes 3 small cards, he bets 10bb you call. Pot is 37bb.
Turn is some brick. he bets 25bb you call. Pot is 87bb.
River he jams his remaining 57bb making it 57bb for you to call in a 144bb pot.

Now I'm not saying that is an impossible fold to make, because it isn't. You have to be correct that you're beaten a high percentage of the time though, and you should probably find a fold earlier if you are going to fold.

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12-20-2013 , 09:42 PM

noobis

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 4,656

There is no formula,its poker and depends,then depends,depends ,depends etc...

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12-20-2013 , 09:55 PM

mackeleven

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,593

Ok this happened. It kinda made me wonder why i called to begin with but i think i did the right thing

MP: $20 (200 bb)
Hero (CO): $23.87 (238.7 bb)
BTN: $24.73 (247.3 bb)
SB: $31.69 (316.9 bb)
BB: $32.45 (324.5 bb)
UTG: $20.06 (200.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, BB raises to $1.40, Hero calls $1.00

Flop: ($2.97) 2

(2 players)
BB bets $2, Hero calls $2

Turn: ($6.97) 7

(2 players)
BB bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50

River: ($15.97) 8

(2 players)
BB bets $24.53 and is all-in, Hero folds

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12-20-2013 , 10:09 PM

danny2241

adept

Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 1,155

^^ Villains 3bet pre over your 4bb open is very strong. Without reads I'd fold turn here and sometimes you will fold the best hand but far more often than not your crushed.

Don't forget villain may have also turned a small pair into a bluff pre and hit his set.

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