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12-07-2008 , 08:56 AM
yep, thanx!
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12-07-2008 , 11:21 AM
Hi,

I'm a new player trying to work on my post flop skills. With this in mind I'm trying to improve my reading skills and therefore my question is this: How do opposition player stats relate to their raising/calling ranges?

I can understand if I guy is 5/5 and he's in a pot then he's probably got a premium holding but what about the more common opponents-the 26/12s, the 50/15s etc.

For instance if a player was raising in late position with A10s+, 77+ and KQ-KJs, QJs and calling/limping with Axs, 22-66 and suited connectors and then narrowing this range for earlier positions what kind of stats would this return?

Is there some rough guide or rule of thumb I can use?

Apologies if this is covered extensively somewhere else.
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12-07-2008 , 11:40 AM
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What do you think about this hand? my nick is rockprodigy. It's $5 double or nothing SnG at pokerstars:

Seat 1: dude10000 (2050 in chips)
Seat 2: HUNPéter (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: Tuman193 (1720 in chips)
Seat 4: jansen_hc (980 in chips)
Seat 5: rextorres (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: larrydajokr (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: rockprodigy (1280 in chips)
Seat 8: OLyons (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: Flobiriabin (1480 in chips)
Seat 10: teddy.vds (1500 in chips)
jansen_hc: posts small blind 10
rextorres: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rockprodigy [Kd Jd]
larrydajokr: folds
rockprodigy: calls 20
OLyons: calls 20
Flobiriabin: folds
teddy.vds: calls 20
dude10000: folds
HUNPéter: folds
Tuman193: calls 20
jansen_hc: calls 10
rextorres: checks
*** FLOP *** [3d Ts Ad]
jansen_hc: checks
rextorres: checks
rockprodigy: checks
OLyons: checks
teddy.vds: checks
Tuman193: checks
*** TURN *** [3d Ts Ad] [Jc]
jansen_hc: checks
rextorres: checks
rockprodigy: bets 60
OLyons: calls 60
teddy.vds: folds
Tuman193: folds
jansen_hc: calls 60
rextorres: folds
*** RIVER *** [3d Ts Ad Jc] [Jh]
jansen_hc: checks
rockprodigy: bets 340
OLyons: raises 380 to 720
jansen_hc: folds
rockprodigy: raises 380 to 1100
OLyons: raises 320 to 1420 and is all-in
rockprodigy: calls 100 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (220) returned to OLyons
*** SHOW DOWN ***
OLyons: shows [3s 3h] (a full house, Threes full of Jacks)
rockprodigy: shows [Kd Jd] (three of a kind, Jacks)
OLyons collected 2700 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2700 | Rake 0
Board [3d Ts Ad Jc Jh]
Seat 1: dude10000 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: HUNPéter folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Tuman193 (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: jansen_hc (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 5: rextorres (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: larrydajokr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: rockprodigy showed [Kd Jd] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 8: OLyons showed [3s 3h] and won (2700) with a full house, Threes full of Jacks
Seat 9: Flobiriabin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: teddy.vds folded on the Turn

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And here are my game statistics from last 100 hands, what do you think
about them?

Hold'em (Real Money):

100 hands played and saw flop:
- 5 times out of 17 while in small blind (29%)
- 8 times out of 14 while in big blind (57%)
- 20 times out of 69 in other positions (29%)
- a total of 33 times out of 100 (33%)

Pots won at showdown - 4 out of 10 (40%)
Pots won without showdown - 7

Is 33% too loose ?

Thanx!

Thought you played the hand fine from beginning to end. You probably could have flat called and played it alittle bit more safe there with blinds only being 10/20 and this being a limped pot, he could easily have JT, or 33 which are the only hands I would be worried about in this kind of pot where you are raised on the river. I do think that 33% is a bit high
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12-07-2008 , 01:28 PM
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What do you think about this hand? my nick is rockprodigy. It's $5 double or nothing SnG at pokerstars:
Fold preflop.

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And here are my game statistics from last 100 hands, what do you think
about them?
100 hands is meaningless.

That being said, you are way, way too loose for DoNs. The goal in DoNs is survival, not accumulation. Any chips you lose are worth much more than chips you win. It doesn't matter if you finish with 100 chips or 10000 as long as you finish.

There have been a couple big threads in the STT Strategy forum about DoNs. You should really read through them:

Official Double or Nothing Thread
***Official DoN Strategy Thread***
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12-08-2008 , 01:28 PM
Can someone explain Rakeback, what is it, and how does one go about doing it? Just started grinding PLO25 and PLO50 on FTP and less on PS.
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12-08-2008 , 01:38 PM
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Can someone explain Rakeback, what is it, and how does one go about doing it? Just started grinding PLO25 and PLO50 on FTP and less on PS.
Beginners Forum Frequently Asked Questions

There is no rakeback on Stars.
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12-08-2008 , 03:24 PM
Made a few posts to a wrong forum. Is there a way I can move my posts/threads (from Micro stakes PL / NL to micro stakes FR)?

Didn't see anything in my searches.

Titles, if a mod needs to do this for me:
-Insane aggression at loose table
-second pair top kicker at 2NL
-2NL bet sizing with overpair

Thanks!
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12-08-2008 , 03:27 PM
You need to ask a mod from the forum you posted in.

Using the "Report Post" button is probably the fastest way. (Ask for the thread to be moved in your report).
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12-08-2008 , 04:16 PM
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You need to ask a mod from the forum you posted in.

Using the "Report Post" button is probably the fastest way. (Ask for the thread to be moved in your report).
Thank you. Another Q:

I don't see an "edit" option when I click on my posts. Could have sworn I edited an earlier message after posting. Does that option expire after a certain time? Thanks so much!

edit: wondering if that option disappears after the message has been viewed by anyone else?

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12-08-2008 , 05:02 PM
You only have the option of editing for 10 (15?) minutes after you make a post. After that it becomes permanent.
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12-08-2008 , 06:16 PM
I am going to be playing LHE, is it better to get PT3 or HEM?
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12-08-2008 , 06:19 PM
I was wondering in most cases w KK OOP is it correct against most to just 4bet shove?

50 NL, 100bb stacks I bet $2 he raised to $6, should I put in the rest of my chips?

Do stats matter much in them cases? Thanks
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12-08-2008 , 07:45 PM
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I was wondering in most cases w KK OOP is it correct against most to just 4bet shove?

50 NL, 100bb stacks I bet $2 he raised to $6, should I put in the rest of my chips?

Do stats matter much in them cases? Thanks
A shove would be quite an overbet, but if you make a standard 4-bet to like $24 you're putting half your stack in so you can't go too far wrong shoving in that spot.

It should depened a great deal on your opponent. If he's a maniac and has called massive bets before, you probably just want to get it in and have him call you. If he's really nitty, you're going to get folds most of the time but when he looks you up it's likely to be AA.
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12-08-2008 , 07:54 PM
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I am going to be playing LHE, is it better to get PT3 or HEM?
Try them both.
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12-08-2008 , 07:56 PM
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I was wondering in most cases w KK OOP is it correct against most to just 4bet shove?

50 NL, 100bb stacks I bet $2 he raised to $6, should I put in the rest of my chips?

Do stats matter much in them cases? Thanks
Stats (reads) are all that matter. Most of the time you should be willing to stack off (6-max moreso than full ring) however there are certainly exceptions.
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12-09-2008 , 03:21 AM
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Beginners Forum Frequently Asked Questions

There is no rakeback on Stars.
Thanks about PS. The links not working, tried previous same link. It says to notify administrator but I don't know how to using the messaging program that it is coupled with. Even tried to copy and paste.

p.s. is it you CMAR that I saw a couple of times on FT PLO50?
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12-09-2008 , 03:25 AM
Sorry, I edited the FAQ earlier today. Here's the new link:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...ncement95.html

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p.s. is it you CMAR that I saw a couple of times on FT PLO50?
No, my Stars SN is completely different from this one.
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12-09-2008 , 05:42 AM
no on Fulltilt there's someone playing PLO50 with the same name but an extra letter.

thanks for the link
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12-09-2008 , 01:20 PM
I haven't played on FTP in at least a year, could be two.
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12-09-2008 , 04:15 PM
Hi, I'm brand new here. Just started playing NL and have been balancing reading (Harrington) with playing micro stakes the past couple of weeks.

I've been working on my application of pot odds lately, trying to make sure that I understand how to use the concepts in practice and trying to find shortcuts to get to the right decisions on drawing hands without taking 2 minutes per round to work through a ton of decision points.

Can someone please evaluate the following statements for me and let me know if I they're suitable to use as (very) general guidelines for my post-flop play? (Assume that they are applied to a typical table, with players that are neither too loose or too tight and no solid reads on the other hands at the table).

With a 9 out flush draw or 8 out straight draw to the nuts on the flop, I am almost always getting the correct odds in position against one or more opponents assuming they are not betting more than 2 times the pot. Therefore I should play most bets on the flop with 8 outs or more (either raise or call).

With a true 4 out draw on the flop (e.g., one-sided straight), I will not get the right odds to play unless I am facing 4 or more opponents (assuming pot-sized or slightly less than pot-sized bets).

The best way to defend a set against a board with two suited cards on the flop is to bet more than twice the pot value. A slightly oversized bet should serve to push out most one sided or gut shot draws.
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12-09-2008 , 04:40 PM
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With a 9 out flush draw or 8 out straight draw to the nuts on the flop, I am almost always getting the correct odds in position against one or more opponents assuming they are not betting more than 2 times the pot. Therefore I should play most bets on the flop with 8 outs or more (either raise or call).
No.

Head's up you will almost never have odds to chase unless villain's bet is really small or you think your implied odds are very high (villain is a big donk). You usually don't have a lot of implied odds with flush draws because everyone is paranoid, with straight draws you'll usually do a little better on that front.

That doesn't necessarily eliminate raising but calling is almost always bad.

Against a bettor and a caller (or more) you will often have odds to call.

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With a true 4 out draw on the flop (e.g., one-sided straight), I will not get the right odds to play unless I am facing 4 or more opponents (assuming pot-sized or slightly less than pot-sized bets).
It's extremely rare that you will ever get odds to chase a gutshot (unless you're playing Limit).

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The best way to defend a set against a board with two suited cards on the flop is to bet more than twice the pot value. A slightly oversized bet should serve to push out most one sided or gut shot draws.
No, a 3/4 pot to pot bet is enough.


The mistake you are making is that you are assuming you are going to see both the turn and the river when chasing a draw. You call my flop bet and the turn is a blank so you don't hit your draw. Then I make a pot sized bet. You do not have odds to call and you have to fold without seeing the river card. You cannot assume you will see both cards. You must calculate your odds on a street by street basis.
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12-09-2008 , 05:35 PM
Thank you. That was helpful. I'll go back and reread since it's obvious I misunderstood the first time around.
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12-09-2008 , 07:09 PM
Hello everybody I'm extremely new to poker, and i thought this website would help sharpen my game. I only have $1.32 in my account ( won from free rolls), what I was wondering is if any of you have advice on starting up and building a big stack. I play on poker stars and someday i want to play $1/2 consistently, how much money would i need to do that?

Thanks a lot
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12-10-2008 , 01:16 PM
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Hello everybody I'm extremely new to poker, and i thought this website would help sharpen my game. I only have $1.32 in my account ( won from free rolls), what I was wondering is if any of you have advice on starting up and building a big stack. I play on poker stars and someday i want to play $1/2 consistently, how much money would i need to do that?

Thanks a lot

I assume you mean NL200 which is SB $1 BB $2. People generally say around 20 Buy-ins for NL. So 1 Buy In is $200

$200 x 20 = $4000

If you are looking to play Limit i think the Bankroll required is 300BigBets so if $2 is the BB then you would need $600 [i think]

Also it depends on how much you are willing to invest for the best way to get started. If you want to build from that free-roll i dont know your best option - prob DoN it up.Will most likely go busto though. What i would suggest if you are on a budget is deposit $50[or more if you can afford it] on stars and play the NL2 tables-thats 1c/2c tables. Follow correct BR mangement and play an ABC game. Build that to $100 and play NL5, $200 NL10 etc etc. and not forgetting to move down when you have to.

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12-10-2008 , 04:36 PM
How soft are micro non-holdem poker games relative to micro NLHE? My first impression is that things like 8-game SNGs are really soft but I'm wondering if that's really the case.
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