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Originally Posted by DDJJ
With a 9 out flush draw or 8 out straight draw to the nuts on the flop, I am almost always getting the correct odds in position against one or more opponents assuming they are not betting more than 2 times the pot. Therefore I should play most bets on the flop with 8 outs or more (either raise or call).
No.
Head's up you will almost never have odds to chase unless villain's bet is really small or you think your implied odds are very high (villain is a big donk). You usually don't have a lot of implied odds with flush draws because everyone is paranoid, with straight draws you'll usually do a little better on that front.
That doesn't necessarily eliminate raising but calling is almost always bad.
Against a bettor and a caller (or more) you will often have odds to call.
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With a true 4 out draw on the flop (e.g., one-sided straight), I will not get the right odds to play unless I am facing 4 or more opponents (assuming pot-sized or slightly less than pot-sized bets).
It's extremely rare that you will ever get odds to chase a gutshot (unless you're playing Limit).
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The best way to defend a set against a board with two suited cards on the flop is to bet more than twice the pot value. A slightly oversized bet should serve to push out most one sided or gut shot draws.
No, a 3/4 pot to pot bet is enough.
The mistake you are making is that you are assuming you are going to see both the turn and the river when chasing a draw. You call my flop bet and the turn is a blank so you don't hit your draw. Then I make a pot sized bet. You do not have odds to call and you have to fold without seeing the river card. You cannot assume you will see both cards. You must calculate your odds on a street by street basis.