shotgut: Yes, you are running slightly above all-in EV as shown in your graph. However, the graph doesn't show coolers like set over set, and generally running into the top of villain's ranges a lot.

From your stats: your preflop stats look fairly good, but I think you are too loose from early and middle position, and also from the SB.
Postflop looks worse: you are way too passive postflop, with an aggression freq below 30% and an overall AF of 1.8, which is just ridiculously passive.
Bet your good hands and good draws a lot more, and fold to their raises: they have your top pair beaten when they raise.
Also, if you are playing 4 tables, you should be able to get reads on your opponents and learn to recognize the bluff monkeys, the nut-peddling nits and the calling stations.
From your description, it sounds like you are still just playing your own hands.

I dont really know why my AF is so low, since i bet all my good hands and draws, I even raise out some cbet monkeys, and on most tables my AF shows over 30 : / , but I guess I have to be more aggressive and fold to raises more

ty for respone

Your AF is defined as (#bets + # raises)/(# calls). A low AF indicates not just that you aren't betting enough, but also that you are calling too much.

okay makes sense

Im struggling at 5nl. Am I playing too weak post flop?

I2icky: Your graph looks like that of a weak-tight player, but your stats definitely don't.
Actually, your stats look fairly good. You play rather tight if it's 6-max, and fairly loose if it's fullring. All figures seem to be about what you would expect, except winnings.

The only thing slightly out of order, is that you may be too aggressive. Your AF is very high, and your cbet% on both flop and turn is super high. Maybe you are barreling 2 streets a lot and giving up on the river?
Anyway, I think you are going to have to get better at handreading and postflop play, and tone down the aggression to just the right places, but it's a bit of a guess to conclude that from your stats.

^ That's exactly what I was going to say.

It looks like you're playing a little to fit or fold post flop, meaning instead of betting out some mediocre hands, you should try to play them more passively and see a cheap showdown, especially against poor players.

The graph does look weird given your stats though.

I posted this in the beginners forum, but I hadn't noticed the sticky for stats postings, so this is hopefully where it belongs:

I wanted to learn how to play NL, and so I have installed HEM.

The first thing that was obvious was that the green line was steadily trending downward, so I stopped and tried to learn what I was doing wrong.

From that point on I feel my game is better and this is the graph so far. I know a bunch of things I'm doing wrong, and I'm trying to improve in those areas. I know this graph only shows a very small sample but I'm not sure exactly how to interpret what I'm seeing.

Particularly the All-in EV, and the blue/red lines.

Is it a good thing for the red line to be over or under the blue one ? Does the fact that the all-in EV is mostly between the green & blue lines saying that I'm calling when I'm good, bad, or just that I'm a fish ?



(I was asked to post stats)

I know I'm definitely running hot. The reason there are 912 hands on the graph is to exclude the 88 .01/02 hands. They show me at +328bb/1000 hands if I included them. These are all 6max games btw.

Here are the stats.

I'm not an expert on stats analysis but few things I can say for shure:
1) You bluff way too much;
2) You need to lay your hands down more often.
3) Be more agressive and bit tighter, pre flop.

That is for a start on what you should think about, in my opinion ofcourse.

AlienSpaceBat:
1000 hands? LOL sample size.

Also, I don't know how you managed to get such an unreadable table out of HEM, that's quite an achievement.
One conclusion is warranted: you are limping WAY too much. Fold more, and raise more, call less. VPIP/PFR whould be more like 18/16 or 22/18 or maybe 25/22. 30/13 is bad. Start there, and the rest pf the leaks will start mending themselves

Thanks for the advice guys, I know you're right. I play too many hands that I limp into. I also don't re-evaluate enough as play goes on. I try to be aware of position but I can easily find a few hands later that I'm just looking at my 2 cards and not properly considering my position anymore.

I know the sample size is not meaningful and not subject to analysis, but it was really a question as to what the actual lines on the graph mean relative to each other. As I try to improve and the sample is bigger what should I look for on that graph (other than the overall green line) ?

Hi guys,

After a little break I've come back to twoplustwo and online poker; I havn't played for some time, so decided to go for $100 depo in PS and start at the 1c/2c 5NL games to get my game back up to scratch, and build a bankroll from there.

These are all the hands I've played, over a couple of days; this is multitabling at around 6-9 tables in a sitting. I've felt like I've been a little passive in places maybe, but I'd to see what you think. My stats and graph are below. [This is all 6max]

Cheers.

Thraxer: This table of stats and accompanying graph seem like a prime example of how ABC value oriented poker can win these nano-stakes. So, I have little in specific to comment. Yes, I do think your WWSF is lower than it could be (you should really be able to get it above 40%), and you seem to be running a bit hot from the BB, but overall this a good solid TAG play. You actually limp/coldcall quite a lot, but it looks like you do that in position mostly, which is better. Re-raising or iso-raising is better in principle, but at these stakes it may well be easier, and certainly less variance, to choose to see cheap flops more often.
Also, your W$w/oSD is negative, but only slightly so.
So from the stats, it looks like your own comments are spot on: you are just a bit too passive, but that is not so bad at these levels.
I am just wondering how you limp 1.5% of hands UTG. Misclicks or getting fancy with big hands maybe?

Hmm, I looked at my hands in more detail, it was just 55 that I had limped with...perhaps to do with table dynamics, perhaps just a weird choice... Anyway, thanks for the overview, and I'll have a think about my WWSF: is that just more aggressive post-flop play? maybe some raising of c-bets from the blinds etc.?

I was talking specifically about UTG -- since there is in principle no reason to open-limp ever UTG in 6-max, your VPIP and PFR should be the same in that position, and they aren't with you.

As for WWSF, yes that is basically down to more aggression. I can't really say it's any specific situation, it's some check/raising of c-bets, some picking up pots nobody wants, some 2nd barreling against habitual floaters, etc.

Last 15k hands - running with high volatility - likely due to my vpip.

Not as happy with my game as I was before, find I am in too many tough spots where my relative ev is not worth as much as the effort I put into thinking about it.

Took a serious beating when taking shots

Any thoughts on my stats, anything I should look at/work on?

Anything at all seem out of line?

tankgirl: looking only at the NL10 line (the others are too small, though the NL50 shot looks like you played scared money).

The NL10 stats look like solid ABC TAG poker. I usually look at positional stats too -- basically you want to have your button VPIP at least twice the UTG VPIP, so you can just check yourself.
Only thing I am a bit unsure about is your defense vs 3-bets. Calling nearly 50% seems high to me, though it is not necessarily bad. Also your 4-bet range looks like it is just AA/KK/QQ/AKs. I can't say this is bad at NL10, since calling in position is not necessarily bad, but it may be something to look out for.

Hi guys. First time posting anything like this.

Playing 2NL and just got one of those nifty programs I went through my HH and definitely found ~$5 worth of leaks which was 2.5 BI. After posting these stats, I saw my huge negative rate OTB. Found 1 cooler ($5) and twice where I got setmined ($4 total). I feel like I overvalued flop on an overpair too much.

Also, could someone tell me what to make of all the different lines on the graph? Is All-In EV better line to look at to gauge my "true" performance? I expect a negative redline with multitabling so I'm not worried about that.

Anyways, here it goes...

Hello just wanted to post and get some feedback. 5nl rush full ring and non rush full ring maybe a few times 10 nl but I dont know if that matters

Hi All,

a few questions...when do you know that you're ready for taking a shot at the next level? It is just a bankroll question or is it a stats question? What are the important stats to worry about?

I know I don't many hands in my stats below (85% at .01/.02 and 15% at .02/.05 full ring) but do you see any major leaks to work on?

Thanks in advance,
AAPL

SuitedAces:
it looks like you are playing mostly full-ring. Even there, VPIP/PFR of 12/6 is quite nitty, which is not bad but I think it's a bit much at these stakes.
You could probably also raise/3-bet more than just call, your opponents are not folding anyway (I think, could be wrong).
You don't show a lot of postflop stats, so that's hard to guess, except that your WTSD% is very low, and your W$SD% is extremely high: it looks like you are folding winners too often, or (very possible) more observant opponents just fold a lot when you bet since you're such a nit and they know they're beaten when you do.
Also, the all-in EV line says you are running quite hot in all-in situations. There's more to running hot than just that, but it's certainly a factor.

The weird winnings by position are certainly due to the small sample size.

Help_Why_Me:
First of all, don't post blinds in other positions than the blinds (you have done this several times at least).
A few points on your stats:
(1) You are quite nitty preflop, which is probably OK in full-ring. I don't really know how Rush plays so I can't judge that.
(2) Your stats postflop seem good tight aggressive. Given your preflop nittyness, you should probably bet a huge percentage on the flop for sure.
(3) Though not really necessary at 5NL, you could defend and steal blinds a bit more strongly. Right now, it pays to steal with any 2 cards against youm since you fold more than 85% of the time. At non-Rush, look for epople with >35% steal and start 3-betting them from the blinds with more hands. See them fold. You can also steal more yourself.

aapl: Moving up is a matter of bankroll and confidence in your own play. If you feel confident you are beating your current level, and are rolled for the next one, move up. Move down if your bankroll drop below a loss limit (for example, move up with 30 buy-ins for the next level, move down if you drop below 20 buy-ins).

As for your stats, you are MUCH too passive, both preflop and postflop.
Preflop your VPIP/PFR is 29/8, meaning you call/limp/coldcall most of the time, rather than raising yourself.
Whenever you enter a hand (that is, put money in the pot), you should almost always do it because you think you have the best hand. Since you have the best hand, you should raise. If you don't think you have the best hand, fold. You can call with some specualtive hands, like small pocket pairs and suited connectors.
In your case, you should fold a lot more preflop, and raise a lot more too.

Postflop, your AF (Aggr Factor) is very low, because you don't bet much, but you call an awful lot. Once again: if you have the best hand, bet or raise. If you don't, check or fold. You are not far wrong if you never ever call a bet or raise at these stakes, though that would be an exaggeration.

fabadam: Thanks for the reply! What would be good target values for VPIP/PFR, AF and Preflop Fold%?

aapl: you shouldnt have a target you aim at. Rather you should have a strategy that leads to good stats.
Basically you can play fullring very nitty with something like 12/10 for VPIP/PFR, or up to something like 20/18 or maybe even 22/19 if you play more loose-aggressive.
Note especially how PFR is close to VPIP: you basically hardly ever call preflop.
Your AF should normally be above 3. If it's lower than that, you are not betting enough or calling too much or both. If it's much higher (like 20) you're probably not calling enough.