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02-01-2014 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 4betAndFold
Hello,

I´ve been playing 6-Max for the first time in years. This are my first 11K hands in NL25 Deep with antes... could you give me a few hints to improve my stats? I´m basically lost and feel that I´m just running well.
I'm not really that familiar with deep play adjustments, so I'll just make some off the cuff comments since nobody else has posted anything.

You seem to be playing a pretty tight pre-flop game even for 100bbs.

I would expect that for deep play you should be opening up your preflop range a little bit.

Given the implied odds, I'm also guessing that you can afford to take more aggressive lines with weaker holdings pre-flop (e.g., 3-betting with a wider range of suited connectors).

Deep, I'm also guessing you can try other plays that are not profitable with shorter stacks like set-mining in a 3-bet pot.

Your fold to 3-bet is very high at 75% - I definitely wouldn't expect to see that in deep games (and I think it would be a significant leak at 25NL even with 100bbs in most cases).

Those are the main things I can think of - maybe someone with more expertise will post here.
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02-01-2014 , 08:35 PM
Is 2-100 limit live az is it beatable and what is the winrate I should be shooting for
Or should go to the 3/6 no limit cap 500 any suggestions ?
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02-11-2014 , 02:30 PM
What is considered like a "standard" fold to Cbet when you are playing 10NL 6max zoom? I feel like mine is way too high.
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02-11-2014 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ToTcH
What is considered like a "standard" fold to Cbet when you are playing 10NL 6max zoom? I feel like mine is way too high.
What do you think it should be and why?

Just having someone go x% won't help you imo. Let's put some thought into this and get an answer our ourselves.
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02-11-2014 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MMSS
What do you think it should be and why?

Just having someone go x% won't help you imo. Let's put some thought into this and get an answer our ourselves.
In my opinion if your fold to cbet is higher than 60% at 10NL it's a leak since it's really easy for the regs to exploite you. I know that because I almost always auto-cbet against villains like that and win a ton of money that way.

My problem is that I don't know if it's just my own impression or if I make good folds even if it makes my fold to cbet pretty high.
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02-11-2014 , 04:02 PM
Few things to think about.

Flop texture
Sizing
Is it a problem if villain can c-bet ATC?
How does villain play on future streets?

Breaking your range down in some standard spots on common flops will well be worth your time.
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02-12-2014 , 10:55 AM
Here is my stats. I notice my fold to steal is very high. I also seem to be losing alot with hands like AJ off maybe I should tighten up even more early and let some more hands in on the button?

I am playing FR micros.

http://imageshack.com/a/img203/6696/l0io.jpg

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02-12-2014 , 12:45 PM
Hi

I'm posting my stats after 20k hands of NL5 ZOOM 6max. I'm not doing very well but i don't really now where my biggest leaks are. Thanks in advance.

By the way, what's the best way to get a decent screen shot of the stats, I can't fit them all on one screen (line is too long).



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02-14-2014 , 03:04 PM
Oems, add in all-in adjusted bb/100 and avg all-in equity. Maybe find more spots to 3 bet as well
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02-14-2014 , 11:05 PM
It also depends on how many cards you are playing. If you have a tighter range, you should be folding less frequently, and a wider range, you should be folding more often.
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02-15-2014 , 06:58 PM
Hi , just wondering if anyone can shed any light on my stats ,possible leaks , to tight , too loose , fish
I only play FR mtt micros ($1-$13) and mttsng's $3.50 45m's .

Sample size is 20k hands. Can also provide 3bet ,f3bet ,Cbet and so on if helps.

Thanks for taking the time to read my post and any advice

Last edited by Bertz; 02-15-2014 at 07:06 PM. Reason: Add stats link correctly doh
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02-16-2014 , 12:41 AM
Hey Bertz,

Looking at overall stats like this doesn't really work for tournament play - your stats in the early game and the late game should be very different - averaging them together will totally confuse the issue.

If you want to evaluate your play with stats - I'd suggest filtering down to levels where you're playing with at least 50bb stacks - that may be somewhat comparable to cash game play (though you may not end up with a large enough sample at that point, depending on the structure of the tournaments you play)

In general, you're better off heading to the tournament subforums and reading up there. Stats are not the best way to evaluate your tournament game, IMO.

I feel that the most important aspect of tournament play is knowing your ICM shoving ranges well, since most structures online are too shallow and too fast to let you play much poker.

Bubble play is another area where I think you can get a good edge, but bears little or no resemblance to typical cash game play.
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02-16-2014 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ulrichw
Hey Bertz,

Looking at overall stats like this doesn't really work for tournament play - your stats in the early game and the late game should be very different - averaging them together will totally confuse the issue.

If you want to evaluate your play with stats - I'd suggest filtering down to levels where you're playing with at least 50bb stacks - that may be somewhat comparable to cash game play (though you may not end up with a large enough sample at that point, depending on the structure of the tournaments you play)

In general, you're better off heading to the tournament subforums and reading up there. Stats are not the best way to evaluate your tournament game, IMO.

I feel that the most important aspect of tournament play is knowing your ICM shoving ranges well, since most structures online are too shallow and too fast to let you play much poker.

Bubble play is another area where I think you can get a good edge, but bears little or no resemblance to typical cash game play.
Hi ulrichw I was hoping you would reply to my post.
Thank you very much for taking the time to explain in your reply and the advice you have given me.
I will look in the mtt sub forums now then ,thanks once again
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02-16-2014 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Oewems
Hi

I'm posting my stats after 20k hands of NL5 ZOOM 6max. I'm not doing very well but i don't really now where my biggest leaks are. Thanks in advance.
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I don't see anything tremendously out of line with your stats, so I'd have to comment based on results, which is of course tricky, because results take much longer to stabilize than your stats.

One thing that I'd note is that you have a really good WSD, but you're not winning that much money.

In general, one way winning players make money is by (on average) winning bigger pots than they lose. This is one way that you get winning players who win less than half the pots they show down.

In your case, it seems that you may be doing the opposite - note especially your CO stats where you've won 51.28% of your showdowns but still are effectively at 0 winnings.

I'd suggest drilling down on your hand histories and asking yourself the following two questions:
1. Are you extracting as much value as you can when you're ahead?
2. Are you too willing to put in big money when you're behind?

Either one of these or a combination of both could be a reason you're not winning as much as you could.

Really though, I'm guessing your leaks are beyond an analysis of your stats (since they're pretty good, IMO). I'd suggest moving on to individual hand analysis.
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02-16-2014 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Frozen_Starlight
Here is my stats. I notice my fold to steal is very high. I also seem to be losing alot with hands like AJ off maybe I should tighten up even more early and let some more hands in on the button?
Results-wise you're absolutely crushing : You're winning .24 bb/Hand which translates to 24 bb/100 - probably an unsustainably high win rate.

You're probably getting lucky to some degree, but you're almost certainly also playing well.

Your fold to steal is high, but your winrate in the blinds (especially the BB) is superb (again, there may be some luck involved). I'm not sure I'd worry too much about this. You could potentially try being a little more aggressive from the SB, but you're as likely to make things go worse for you than better.

Your WTSD% is quite low - generally one would expect WTSD in the mid-20s. On the other hand, it's working for you.

Overall, I don't think there is too much value in working on your game through stats - you seem to have the basics very well under control - I'd suggest posting hands in the appropriate subforums and working on more specific situations.
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02-17-2014 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ulrichw
Results-wise you're absolutely crushing : You're winning .24 bb/Hand which translates to 24 bb/100 - probably an unsustainably high win rate.

You're probably getting lucky to some degree, but you're almost certainly also playing well.

Your fold to steal is high, but your winrate in the blinds (especially the BB) is superb (again, there may be some luck involved). I'm not sure I'd worry too much about this. You could potentially try being a little more aggressive from the SB, but you're as likely to make things go worse for you than better.

Your WTSD% is quite low - generally one would expect WTSD in the mid-20s. On the other hand, it's working for you.

Overall, I don't think there is too much value in working on your game through stats - you seem to have the basics very well under control - I'd suggest posting hands in the appropriate subforums and working on more specific situations.
Thank you for your thoughts!

You are absolutely correct that my WTSD% is kinda low. I've felt for some time now that I get run over too easily by very aggro players and I've probably laid down the best hand a couple of times.

Im kinda ignoring the fold to steal right now because everytime I tried to defend my blinds ive got reraised yet again. Probably they're not making moves here but they have a hand every time they 4bet me.

Hopefully I can get more confident and call down abit more and probably win some pots at showdown even when I don't got the super nuts.

Thanks again for your time.
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02-17-2014 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Frozen_Starlight
You are absolutely correct that my WTSD% is kinda low. I've felt for some time now that I get run over too easily by very aggro players and I've probably laid down the best hand a couple of times.
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Just a quick note on this - one of the interesting things about stat analysis is that almost every stat has multiple explanations.

In this example, being weak is one way your WTSD gets to be low.

The other way it gets to be too low is over-aggression when you're trying to value bet (i.e., are you taking value lines that are just folding out all of the worse hands, rather than getting max value out of them (which will usually mean getting to showdown more))

The stats can't tell us which of these applies to you - so you have to analyze your own play to see what adjustments to make.

Also, it's worth noting that multiple styles can be successful - so even though your stats may be different from typical players, this doesn't mean that you necessarily should be changing your game.

I think of the stats as an indicator of which parts of the game to think about more, not as an absolute recipe for how to play.
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02-19-2014 , 04:05 AM
Hey guys. Have not been very active at all in the proper sub forums but am looking to change that as I'm trying to get over a fear of criticism. Be as blunt as you need to with my stats. This is 21,000 hands from 4NL. Took me a little over a year to accumulate because I really didn't play everyday and took many breaks from online poker.







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02-19-2014 , 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ulrichw
I don't see anything tremendously out of line with your stats, so I'd have to comment based on results, which is of course tricky, because results take much longer to stabilize than your stats.

One thing that I'd note is that you have a really good WSD, but you're not winning that much money.

In general, one way winning players make money is by (on average) winning bigger pots than they lose. This is one way that you get winning players who win less than half the pots they show down.

In your case, it seems that you may be doing the opposite - note especially your CO stats where you've won 51.28% of your showdowns but still are effectively at 0 winnings.

I'd suggest drilling down on your hand histories and asking yourself the following two questions:
1. Are you extracting as much value as you can when you're ahead?
2. Are you too willing to put in big money when you're behind?

Either one of these or a combination of both could be a reason you're not winning as much as you could.

Really though, I'm guessing your leaks are beyond an analysis of your stats (since they're pretty good, IMO). I'd suggest moving on to individual hand analysis.
Thanks again.. Do you have any suggestions how to search through my database systematically to look for leaks? I'm pretty sure I'm spending too much money when I'm behind.

I appreciate your time spent analysing..

I'll start handreviewing asap

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02-23-2014 , 07:11 AM
Well here goes, a little embarrassing that I let it go on this long (# of hands) without seeking some advice.

Note: Looks worse than it is - I am still on my one and only $100 deposit this year and am up a a few hundred after rakeback/10nl/5nl. I'm clearly not happy with grinding this hard to make peanuts from rakeback compared to what I should be winning with the same volume at a positive winrate.

Hands/stats are from 25NL 6m zoom and around 4k from 25NL 6m normal tables.

I have dropped back down to 10NL for now to build the roll back up (currently 3.05 bb/100 @ 10NL zoom).

Any advice welcomed, rip me a new one.





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02-23-2014 , 07:43 AM
You're thinking about making money at 25nl when you should only be thinking about getting better. That's your biggest leak.

You'e also a nit if you're playing 6max and will just get abused at 25nl, which is funny because you open more than I'd expect most people to UTG, and judging by other threads you play stupidly long sessions which is always just awful as you'll be playing so badly compared to how you could play.
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02-24-2014 , 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by derrp
Well here goes, a little embarrassing that I let it go on this long (# of hands) without seeking some advice.

Note: Looks worse than it is - I am still on my one and only $100 deposit this year and am up a a few hundred after rakeback/10nl/5nl. I'm clearly not happy with grinding this hard to make peanuts from rakeback compared to what I should be winning with the same volume at a positive winrate.

Hands/stats are from 25NL 6m zoom and around 4k from 25NL 6m normal tables.

I have dropped back down to 10NL for now to build the roll back up (currently 3.05 bb/100 @ 10NL zoom).

Any advice welcomed, rip me a new one.
I'm not an expert in data analysis but I think your WTSD% / W$SD% are respectively too high and too low when taken together. You should probably go to SD with less marginal hands. Also your "river call efficiency" is one more thing telling you recurrently make bad calls on the riv.

SB + BB = -71 bb/100, you should change your play from these positions in order to target -50 / -60 bb/100 (sb -15, bb -40) .

GL
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02-25-2014 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by MMSS
You're thinking about making money at 25nl when you should only be thinking about getting better. That's your biggest leak.

You'e also a nit if you're playing 6max and will just get abused at 25nl, which is funny because you open more than I'd expect most people to UTG, and judging by other threads you play stupidly long sessions which is always just awful as you'll be playing so badly compared to how you could play.
I would agree about the long sessions, my biggest problem is I HATE seeing losing sessions in HEM. Normally I can grind to even but when I don't the sessions end up disastrous. I need to realise that it's harmful to my game and I should be able to walk away when I am playing like ****.

Ill try open up my range in late position and see how it goes.

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Originally Posted by Anuth
I'm not an expert in data analysis but I think your WTSD% / W$SD% are respectively too high and too low when taken together. You should probably go to SD with less marginal hands. Also your "river call efficiency" is one more thing telling you recurrently make bad calls on the riv.

SB + BB = -71 bb/100, you should change your play from these positions in order to target -50 / -60 bb/100 (sb -15, bb -40) .

GL
Yeah I definitely call light on the river too often. Will read up on playing from the blinds more effectively.
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02-25-2014 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by derrp
I would agree about the long sessions, my biggest problem is I HATE seeing losing sessions in HEM. Normally I can grind to even but when I don't the sessions end up disastrous. I need to realise that it's harmful to my game and I should be able to walk away when I am playing like ****.
haha i'm exactly the same.
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02-25-2014 , 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by derrp
Yeah I definitely call light on the river too often. Will read up on playing from the blinds more effectively.
"COTW - The last redline post ever " should help.
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